“Secondhand smoke is as bad as smoking yourself.”

Show me, please.

Show me testing results……………. And tell me who did the tests,…..and who funded the test, ……..and the test protocol, …………… and let me ask questions.

I’m sure that will not be a problem for such courteous and considerate people as nonsmokers.

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I think if you look at the links I posted you may find some info on some of those studies.

Did that a while back and started getting junk mail from every "group of victims" under the sun. I take full responsibility for that because I didn't weed out the links as well as I should have and some mail went directly to my "junk mail folder" and others to my inbox. I've since corrected that flow and will stick strictly to "snail mail" for further corrsepondence!

Be it known...I am NOT just all talk, no action! I've taken action from my little slice of the world and yet the action doesn't suffice. I am one...they are many more than me if no one but me ( I feel so alone) takes a stand on fairness! Laws have been set before I took a stand...and continue to expand since I took a stand. Obviously I have no footing because I am a lowly smoker! I stand on the side that is shunned and seems to me my voice will never be heard!

I know how a bill becomes a law...but how does a law get undone?????? How can I help tweak it? Energy fails me to fight city hall!

Here is a site that has information that decries the second hand smoke stance.

http://www.davehitt.com/facts/

You know it's not easy and in my state the Governor tried to repeal one and that failed too! I wish it were simple. That I know of there was never a referendum for me to vote on when they passed the no smoking in public places law here. But I fall into the cracks being a citizen of a county but not the city.

If it were the reason for the sin tax. Then they should start a sin tax on things like potato chips, soda pop, twinkies, or any other food that has no real nutrition value with lots of empty calories.

I would have to agree with the theory of when I couldn't smoke vs. when I could. When I could, I would make up for when I couldn't LOL - did that make sense? I don't know if that was killing me more than if I could smoke more conveniently as I think that just having the one has the potential to kill me.

That being said, when I smoked, I was a polite smoker. Even in my own home - if someone was visiting me that didn't smoke, I would ask if they minded if I did or I would leave the room for a bit (or even just not smoke). I have had people say that they did mind, and I didn't light up.

I am now in the process of quitting. It is not easy. It is by far the hardest thing I have ever had to do and it pisses me off that I am weak and give in to the addiction. I was at 10 days and I gave in this weekend (damn - shit - damn). But, I will start over because I AM GOING to quit!!!!!! So, if hoofing it a mile or more to a place where I can smoke will make me not smoke then I am for it!!!!!!!!!!

Besides that - it is getting in the way of my fucking!!!!!!!!!!

My honest answer is:

No i do not get the urge to have a smoke....after 4 weeks of being a non smoker the urges went and have not returned

I do not miss it
I do not have the urge under pressure

I have now been a non smoker for 7-8 yrs

There is a massive anti-smoking campaign going on in Britain at the moment which highlights the dangers of passive smoking.

It's not just cancer that passive smokers need to worry about: apparently passive smoking reduces the oxygen levels of blood around the heart which lead to heart disease (the biggest killer in the UK at present) so it's not just a case of carcinogen levels in the air.

My general stance on smoking is that it's a bizarre and quite revolting habit and I've noticed that smokers are generally less environmentally and socially conscious people. For example, I'm sure the majority of people here would not dream of dropping a coke can in the street, but how many smokers will happily drop a cigarette stubb on the pavement? It seems to be completely acceptible behaviour. I've even seen my house guests and neighbours drop cigarette butts on my door step or into my flower beds in full view of me, as though it doesn't count as littering!!!!! And then they wonder why I think smokers are disgusting!

Anti-social behaviour like that does nothing to help improve my view of smokers. Smokers want respect and consideration? Then it's about time they tried to show some REAL consideration to others! Smoking outside and then tossing your butt into the street is not my definition of consideration.

Hmm....how about taking a little responsibility for your actions.....what you said is a typical addict's response, and no more valid than saying:

'It's my wife's nagging that drives me to the bottle of whisky'


I went to a diet class last year (because I'm a food addict) and had to eat low fat food the whole time I was there and when I stopped going to the class because the teacher quit to have a baby, I went on a binge and put on loads of weight again. The weight I've gained increases my risk of heart disease, dvt, cancer, asthma, digestive problems, and if I continue at this weight, I have undoubtedly shortened my life. So does that mean the diet class is responisble for my early demise? Of course it doesn't! Me filling my face with the wrong foods and not exercising is responsible, and I'd be a pathetic waste of space if I said otherwise.

you mean like not breathing?

ok i will open up this topic in 2 areas and this is my opinion and not meant to affend anyone, firstly i am an ex smoker who smoked for more than 25 years and belive that they have gone a little over the top with banning smoking in some areas like they were talking about banning people from smoking in cars here when there was kids in the car (another dumb arse do gooders bright idead) i personely cant not stand the smell of the dam things and i pisses me off when you have a no smoking area like a resterant and you have all the smokers standing in the door way and i have to walk through that to get in or out when they could at least walk 20 30 feet away. (i not saying all smokers are like that) the second thing is you may pay more tax but you suffer more medical problems from smoking so it would br fair to say you get a good part of that tax back

Thank you Loulabelle, for touching upon that point the way you did. People driving down the road flicking their butts out the window piss me off royally!

Now before Lixy drives up here to beat me to death with a liberal dose of righteous indignation...remember this:

That's an example of an inconsiderate asshole smoker. Being a smoker is not what makes them an inconsiderate asshole. The cigarette butt is but a tool in their hands. That's an asshole doing something inconsiderate. To apply that behaviour to all smokers is akin to saying that all soda drinkers toss their cans out the car window. Aqua drinks Mountain Dew, right? He's the last person in the world I'd expect to see whipping empties out the window of his Scooby Doo. There are inconsiderate people doing disrespectful and discourteous things to others all day every day...smoking and non-smoking. What I was getting at (obviously not well, or you would've gotten my point) was that I'm respectful of those around me, and I expect that same courtesy. Be it from a smoker who's blowing smoke at my table, frat boys bragging about their sexual conquests within earshot of my children, stupid parents who do nothing while their bratty kids running amok, or the CEO yelling into his cell phone.

Like I said in my original post...if there was a way we could all coexist, I'm there. If I walk into a restaurant that has a smoking area, I'll request they seat us away from it. If I have to walk past a smoking table, I don't wrinkle my nose in disgust from the smell. I'm a grown man, for crying out loud! I follow the waiter/tress to my table and sit down & eat. If I'm right next to a smoking area, I ask to be moved. It's my right. Notice how I'm saying "I ask to be moved." not "I ask they be moved.". That's not my right.

I'm sorry you took offense to my statements, Lixy. I indicated it was a matter of being courteous. If you are...then I'm not talking to you.

I believe you are correct ‘MATE’, that the pendulum swings a bit far to the right sometime. ;) As for looking only at the $$ involved with treating medial issues, you could consider that smokers will be canceled out of the equation much earlier and may well consume less costs in the declining years than the nonproductive arses of the nonsmokers.


Your attitude is something that would be welcome by most smokers, WildIrish, and is one that would perhaps allow us to deal with a matter we are much less pleased about ourselves.
I’m pretty sure that the “liberal doses of righteous indignation” are seen to come TO the smoker rather than FROM them. This thread (and others on this topic) attest to the eagerness for the supercilious. I know that I have an innate reaction to arrogant, condescending, pompous, patronizing assholes that I’m working on dealing with in a better manner, but I do think the natural progression is for a target to first become defensive and then aggressive when threatened. It’s a natural human trait to elevate ourselves by promoting the transgressions of others, but I can tell you that the perception of persecution triggers a defensive reaction rather than one of cooperation.