
11-13-2007, 08:47 PM
|
 |
Manwhore
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 15,495
|
|
Woman prosecuted for giving her children too much information about sex
(SF)
By Mallory Simon
Court TV
Amy Smalley thought she was being a good parent when she taught her children about sex.
Smalley told her children, ages 11 and 15, about her own sexual experiences, explained how to perform oral sex and even showed them a sex toy she owned.
Smalley called it education. Prosecutors called it a crime.
Prosecutors in Columbia County, Wis., charged Smalley Feb. 19 with exposing children to harmful descriptions, a felony crime that carries a penalty of up to three years in prison.
Smalley's lawyer attempted to get the case thrown out, saying that sex education was protected free speech, but a Columbia County judge disagreed and sent the case to trial.
On Thursday, Smalley pleaded guilty and was sentenced to probation and ordered to attend counseling. She agreed to the plea to prevent her children from having to testify, Smalley told the Portage Daily Register.
In a motion to dismiss the case, Columbia County Public Defender Mark Gumz claimed that Smalley's discussion with her children fell under the umbrella of parental free speech.
"Ms. Smalley would be within her rights as a parent to educate her children in such a manner as she sees fit ... even if the state feels it improper," Gumz wrote.
The state, Gumz said, does not have the right to decide what parents can teach their children about sex.
"Health classes are a part of modern school curriculum, and President Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky have forever changed the vernacular of the American public," he wrote.
Columbia County Assistant District Attorney Crystal Long could not be reached for comment.
Gumz argued that, because Smalley's children were 11 and 15, they were near or at the age of puberty, making it acceptable for their mother to explain sex to them. But, according to the criminal complaint, the younger son objected. The boy told a counselor about the discussion and, when asked by police, said he preferred that his mother "keep that kind of information personal," according to the criminal complaint.
"This whole thing's been like a nightmare for me and I can't understand it," Smalley told the Daily Register after the plea.
Rev. Debra Haffner, a sexuality educator and director of the The Religious Institute on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing, said she was surprised to learn that Smalley had spoken to her son about specific sexual history, calling it "highly unusual."
"It's not smart parenting, but certainly not actionable," she said.
Haffner, the former president of the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States, reinforced the importance of parents speaking with their children about sex, saying children need to hear the information from their parents, but she said the level of detail makes a difference.
"Parents may say, 'Oral sex is when you put your mouth on another person's genitals,'" Haffner said. "But, if you go into technique with your kids, saying 'Sometimes it feels good if you do this' ... I think there is a level of description that could be too much."
A main point made by Smalley's attorneys in arguing for the case to be dropped was that the law used to prosecute her was intended to prevent children from being exposed to pornography, and not meant for parents talking about sex with their kids.
"This was not some stranger who was telling children sordid stories for sexual gratification and titillation," Gumz said in his motion.
__________________
Put me on wheels and I'll turn tricks.
Clever? Nah, I ran out of that years ago. But if you find this, let me know, k?
"The road goes ever on..." ~ Tolkien
In memory of my friend skip...
Go then, there are other worlds than these
|

11-14-2007, 11:43 AM
|
 |
Turn it up!
|
|
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Music City
Posts: 9,293
|
|
Quote:
But, according to the criminal complaint, the younger son objected.
|
Hey, I objected to being made to eat my vegetables...did I get to have my mom put away for it? I don't think so...
Columbia Co., Wisconsin must be a wonderful place to live...so little real child abuse going on, the DA's office has to go looking for chickenshit prosecutions like this....
Your tax dollars at work...

__________________
Plug me into somethin'
If the theory does not conform to the facts, then the facts must be discarded.
No good deed ever goes unpunished
Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level, & beat you with experience.
|

11-14-2007, 04:11 PM
|
 |
♦*♥Moderatrix♥*♦
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: on top of it all
Posts: 50,568
|
|
I think that if she really went into graphic details with an 11 year old she was inappropriate.
|

11-14-2007, 07:36 PM
|
 |
Gone with the Wind
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: some place new, and interesting
Posts: 862
|
|
I wanted to know more about this, so I "googled" it.
The local paper says her sons are 12 and 16. Was Court TV making a mistake, or were her sons 11 and 15 when this happened, or is the national media distorting things?
The conservatives say "no sex education in school, it's the parent's job"
So then the State prosecutes a woman for teaching her sons about sex.
I think most, but not all, eleven year old boys still think all sex talk is "yucky" But in La. I encountered reports of pregnant 12 year old girls and sexually active male preteens as well. So is 11 is NOT an inappropriate age to give basic information!
This is all so strange.
I think the county prosecutor has issues.
WW
WW
__________________
"I wondered, am I a lesbian, am I straight, or bisexual? Then I realized that I am just a slut.
So where's MY parade?"
---Margaret Cho
|

11-14-2007, 10:47 PM
|
 |
Causer of Unrest
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Arizona
Posts: 4,005
|
|
"Rev. Debra Haffner, a sexuality educator and director of the The Religious Institute on Sexual Morality, Justice, and Healing, said she was surprised to learn that Smalley had spoken to her son about specific sexual history, calling it "highly unusual."
"It's not smart parenting, but certainly not actionable," she said."
That's my feeling. I agree, it's inappropriate to talk in that kind of detail with your children. I certainly wouldn't speak in that kind of detail with my parents, and I'm an adult. Then again, neither of them have yet seen fit to give me The Talk. Fortunately, I'm a self-starter when the subject is one of interest. 
|

11-15-2007, 09:05 AM
|
 |
is not this trim anymore!
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: New England
Posts: 21,709
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqua
Prosecutors in Columbia County, Wis., charged Smalley Feb. 19 with exposing children to harmful descriptions, a felony crime that carries a penalty of up to three years in prison.
|
What the hell kind of stupid charge is that?
Don't get me wrong, I stand behind the idea that the level to which she apparently detailed the act was more graphic than what is appropriate, but I don't think she should go to jail for three years just because of that one thing. What needs to happen, in my opinion, is a full evaluation of the environment in that home. Something tells me that she's not the leader of the PTO and baking meatloafs for the local food bank whenever she's not fellating sex toys in front of her children.
__________________
Though I am different from you,
We were born involved in one another.
For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.
Complete surrender should not just come at moments in which one faces overwhelming odds, but in the calm when it seems one is personally in complete control of one's life.
|

11-18-2007, 06:46 PM
|
 |
Ethical Epicurean
|
|
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Santa Monica California
Posts: 1,570
|
|
Gosh,Does anyone think it is high time to pull the plug on all of this "faith based" bullshit? I wonder how much of our tax $$$ is getting sucked down this vacume?
__________________
Sex is one of nine reasons for reincarnation.The other eight are unimportant...Henry Miller
|

11-18-2007, 07:07 PM
|
Registered User
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Maryland
Posts: 541,353
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by lakritze
... Does anyone think it is high time to pull the plug on all of this "faith based" bullshit? ...
|
lakritze,
What are you talking about?
__________________
Eudaimonia
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Rate This Thread |
Linear Mode
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:20 PM.
|