
08-12-2007, 11:13 AM
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why?
Why what?
Why, as a woman whose most intense, emotionally satisfying relationships are with other Women, do I still pursue sex with men?
Please, don't laugh at me, I mean this as a serious question! Our refusal to abandon sex with males creates pressure and even invites abuse from those in our circles who feel we "aren't ready to commit" to the "religion" of Lesbianism.
Please understand, I am speaking to specifically those Bi Women whose preferred emotional and physical intimacies are other Women, not those of you who "also have sex with other Women" or the growing group of "opportunistic lesbian/bisexual" Women, those who have sex with whomever they are in love with, no matter gender.
My new relationship with Mickey includes the occasional male. We both enjoy sex with men very much, and 3sums seen to satisfy that desire.
(yes, I still fuck men on my own, when not in a 3um)
So, one night during a little pillow talk, we asked one another that question.
Why?
(yes, I am aware that many of the issues I have raised here start as pillow talk. Lots of interesting ideas come up in these conversations)
She and I are very much alike, and yet still very different, a delicious combination. But one thing we share is the intensely erotic, passionate enjoyment of sex with men, making us both happy members of that interesting societal group, the female *bisexual*.
I have a lot of suspicions about the current "fad" of female bisexuality. For Mickey, myself, my darling Leigh, and many othersm it is a way of life, not a fad.
So, why? Why still have sex with men?
Is it that uniquely female sensation of vaginal penetration?
(Adressing the males here who enjoy receiving anal penetration; having done anal many times, I can say it is totally different sensation. Wonderful, yes, but very different)
I can become very aroused just by closing my eyes, imagining that familiar feel of a man entering me, that feeling of pressure that transforms to the sensation of being pierced, of a sexual stabbing... my vaginal walls giving way, moving apart, the feeling of being stretched...
*ahem*!!
Pardon me, I had to stop for a minute. In all seriousness, I became aroused just now, simply by writing this.
But the sensations imparted by a strap -on are almost the same. And for me, emotionally deeper and more involving. But I prefer the real thing, a warm penis, firm, but soft, a so sexually sublime contradiction that makes me shiver just thinking about holding one in my hand. As part of my D/s life, I have become a devotee of the pratice of "cock worship"
Damn!! I really need to concentrate here.
Is it muscles? I love the feeling of male firmness and tone of muscle. But Mickey is as well developed and toned (she is Physical Therapist and an amateur body builder for years) as many men, and while her strength and physique is a tremendous physical thrill for me...
CONCENTRATION WANDA!
Is it body hair? No. Aside from a past fantasy about having sex with a werewolf, body hair doesn't do much for me.
One thing Mickey and I agreed on was that the rhythm of fucking, the sensation of your entire body rocking back and forth as you are being fucked, feeling your boobs make their little (in my case) swinging, circular patterns as you slide back and forth... that is a HUGE plus for both of us.
It is different than the rhythm of fucking with a strap on. It's not a subtle difference either. I can best describe it as a sort of "lag" or hesitation. When she pulls her hips back there is a definite, small, but definite, pause before the toy moves. I wonder when some genius will figure out how to improve a strap on so that difference is gone?
But I hesitate reduce this intense, sometimes overwhelming erotic passion for men to "rocking".
Is this the reason so many of us are still bisexual?
Or.
Is it the combination of all of this? The combination of the warmth and unique soft/hardness of a real cock, the muscles, the rocking sensation, the fact that my earliest erotic fantasies were all about males?
*Wickd Wanda opens the floor to comments, thoughts, ideas, and sexual innuendo*
WW
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08-12-2007, 11:39 AM
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Maybe it's variety? Men taste different, smell different, fuck differently. Maybe variety really is the spice of life? Just a thought...you may not need men to "complete" you -- but perhaps the variety excites you.
I eagerly await other responses.
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08-12-2007, 11:54 AM
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Hi Wanda
Maybe it the feel of a man and maybe as osuche said it the variety of it all.
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08-12-2007, 12:41 PM
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Does fucking men have to be for completely physical reasons? While I've never been with a woman, I'll try to explain my logic.
A generalization : women think the same way. (Yes, I know, exceptions exist, but let's just imagine that's the way it is for the sake of this question.) When you have sex with a woman, you must believe that similar thoughts to yours must be running through her head. Yet men think differently than women (or so we can imagine for the sake of this question). Could it be that which is pushing you to fuck men? Is it a way of understanding how men think?
Another possibility : could it be a way of proving yourself as attractive to men? I think it's quite evident that men are attracted to you anyway, but I wanted to throw that out there to see what people thought.
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08-12-2007, 03:53 PM
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OR could it be as simple as why not ?
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08-12-2007, 03:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wicked Wanda
Aside from a past fantasy about having sex with a werewolf, body hair doesn't do much for me.
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Best. Sentence. Ever.
And I tend to think similarly to temi01 - perhaps that's just the way you're 'wired'? Isn't there a danger of over-analysing something?
I'm sort of in the other role that you could describe as 'also have sex with other men', in that my preferred emotional relationships are with women. Not because that's "normal" or anything, simply because they are what attract me on an intellectual, emotional level AND physical level. Whereas cocks just turn me on.
I tend to just shrug and say "that's the way I am" rather than questioning why I sleep with who I do, why I have emotional relationships with who I do.... if it's not hurting anyone, it can't be a bad thing, right?
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08-12-2007, 05:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CasperTG
.... if it's not hurting anyone, it can't be a bad thing, right?
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Well it can't be good  
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08-12-2007, 07:06 PM
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Osuche, variety is certainly part of my sex life, but I assure you, there are infinite differences in the way that Women feel, smell, taste, and fuck as well.
Hello again, Rhiannon, and yes, it is in part the way men feel, but is that all?
Neige, I do have intense emotional relationships with men. And the way men's minds work never cease to amaze me. But why do I crave the PHYSICAL sensations? As far as reinforcing my feeling of attractiveness, I guess I will become worried when they quit hitting on me.
themi01; Of course why not? But that's not the same as random fucking, it still doesn't account for the cravings.
CasperTG; I know I am overanalyzing my sex life (again!). I started off with the observation that this started off as pillow talk, and I know that questions raised during such private times are often not answerable, but I wanted the insight that Pixies' offers.
In any case, I am not going to quit fucking men anytime soon.
I am waiting for more comments.
And Lil is picking on the short girl again. (smile)
WW
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08-12-2007, 08:20 PM
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I didn't mean random fucking I meant don't over analyze if your attracted to anybody I mean personality character wit sexiness Ect if that occurs in a man....Hard put into words beyond that... let me take that back when you meet someone before long you either feel chemistry or not This isn't any more clear or is it sorry fighting a headache
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08-12-2007, 09:33 PM
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Do you find yourself craving dick or is there something about men that you crave? Have you picked up on any pattern in the men you do choose?
For me nothing, nothing feels like cock. Other things feel good but cock feels perfect. I wonder if bi women have feeling like I do where on some days while it would be frosting to have orgasms, all I really want is to be fucked. I'm not sure (and this is purely speculation) on those days that anything or anyone could satisfy that need but a man with a real throbbing stiff dick.
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08-12-2007, 10:44 PM
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Wanda i think you are just a human thats it, you like what like, and sometimes need to change pace now and then.
i mean sometimes its ok to take a different route to specific destination right?
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08-12-2007, 11:52 PM
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I suspect that this has more levels than a mile-high carpark.
1.You can love red wine and have a passion for scotch and dry.
2. When you were young and saw the stereotyped romance movies, they left little footprints in your psyche which nudge you in this direction.
3. It feels good if done well.
4. It acts as a buffer to the marginalisation some feel when they step out of the mainstream.
5. The 8:27 Elephant to Times Square was 15 min late.
Everyone will have a pet theory, even the elephant, but as it is obviously a part of how you tick and it's not hurting you, enjoy it con mucho gusto.
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08-13-2007, 02:02 AM
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Damn those elephants.
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You know, Blackadder, for me socks are like sex. Tons of it about and I never seem to get any.
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08-13-2007, 03:23 AM
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I hate to say it, but is there perhaps something in the primeval, hormonal, genetic memory part of you that craves a person of the opposite gender for the purposes of reproduction?
Human beings are a strange mixture of our developed emotional and mental 'civilised' ways (which tell you that you gain more from a loving relationship with a woman than with a man) and our intense, physical, chemical and biological urges which happen without us even realising it. Why, when we are offered a salad that we KNOW is better for us, provides us with more nutrition, the right number of calories, lots of anti-oxidants and will be low stress on our digestive systems, do so many of us opt for the burger, which provides little of the above? An ancient and redundant need to consume as many calories as we can in case there's a long wait for the next meal. My point is that our brains and emotions, often do not override the biological urges which ensure the survival of the species.
Obviously, that's not to negate exclusive homosexuality in any way, which I believe to be a natural part of human and animal sexuality, but I suspect that as a woman as in touch with her sexual needs as you are WW, you've not 'closed down' that avenue which a lot of bisexual people probably do, favouring relationships with whichever sex because 'well it's just easier' because 'women understand me better' or 'men are just more straightforward' or whatever.
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08-13-2007, 06:48 AM
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'If you can't be...with the one you love, honey...love the one you're with"...
^^^ Could it be that easy?
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