A friend of ours made a comment to me in private that he and his wife might be interested in swapping/ grouping. I kind of blew it off (no pun intended) at the time. but I have to say I am intrigued and interested. Problem #1 I have not told my wife, she is very reserved and I am not sure how she would react. Problem #2 we all have young children 2-5yrs old and I'm not sure what precautions we should take to avoid being caught, if we ever even do anything.

I am not sure what to do, any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Robert

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Well Rob, I think as far as precautions go, perhaps dropping the kids off at their grandparents for the night over the weekend might be a start. Obviously I mean all the kids yours and theirs.

As far as your wife is concerned, there is a way of doing this that could work. Before you do this you have to prep everyone at different things. For example, you might tell your wife that you're having friends coming over. That is why the kids are at the grandparents. But you tell the other couple in advance what you want to do and how it should go.
You should already know what to say to the grandparents but incase you can't think of anything just tell them that you have planned a special evening for the 2 of you and so you need the kids away.

Then get everyone over and start off with some wine/alcohol to take the edge off. You and the guy go away into the kitchen or a room that has some ornaments on the wall. This way you leave the women alone. Make sure that the other woman has been prepped on this and make sure she tells your wife what could happen that night. It sounds better coming from the same sex as it would you for example. If you were to tell her then she might think that you-are-being-the-typical-male syndrome. Hopefully having had the other woman telling works. Depending on how your wife feels, the other woman could make a move on your wife, but this would have to be in such a way that the other woman can control without your wife feeling funny or threatened. That is what the wine is for. The main thing here is communication from you to the others in advance so they know what is expected.

If you wife likes what the other woman does to her then you have nothing to worry about. When the time comes for people to swap partners let your wife be the first one who gets started on from the guy. Then you could also do something to your wife as well. Depending on what kind of sex you 2 are into. I don't need to draw a picture here but here is a hint, 2 guys one girl....endles possibilities. From there the other woman might see an opportunity and join in.

hope it helps.

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Hmmm.

This plan gives absolutely no lee-way for discussing well in advance boundaries, implications for the relationship long term, what-ifs and fears that your wife might have.

I would think that the chances of success for this kind of plan to work are pretty small, and if they do, the chances are your wife won't thank you afterwards for the fact that she wasn't able to make a decision with a clear head (i.e. with no alcohol in her system) and after discussion with her own husband about it.

I'm very open to the idea of group sex/ wife swapping, but if Fussy pulled that one on me, I'd be furious.

Sorry to come down so hard on Mark's advice - we usually agree on stuff, don't we Mark? But I'm just giving you a woman's point of view.

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Yes that is true Lou. I was only making a suggestion, he can take parts that he thinks are usefull like the bit about the kids for example. He doesn't have to follow the advice that I gave to the letter. It is open for interpretation just like anything. I was giving him some ideas as to a possible scenario. I don't know how his wife would react, only he knows that. I was simply giving him something that he could think about and put some parts of it to use. I certainly don't mean any disrespect on his part or yours lou.

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A set up is almost dishonest. At the least manipulative.

Talk to her. Talk to her about her fantasies and what she may be interested in trying.

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Ok, as one of the biggest sluts in Pixies, I have been the "invitee", the other woman invited to "join in", quite a lot, and I really do mean into a LOT of group encounters.
I have a lot of sex.
I had to learn what a "round heels" was, because an older woman described me as such recently. (it's a woman who's heels are so round she naturally falls onto her back with her legs spread open)
My experiences have ranged from wonderful to horrible.
I have written about some of my encounters here, but haven't really touched on the several unmitigated disasters that I have witnessed.

Guys have shown me Penthouse stories about "unexpected" group encounters that turned into wonderful, passionate "life-changing" events, and I can say they are wonderful FICTION. (mostly) The really wonderful, passionate, life changing encounters require some planning, believe me.

First;
Sweetie, if you don't know for CERTAIN that your wife is going to be open to this DON'T DO IT!
You need to discuss this with your honey before anyone else brings it up.
IF and only IF she is open to it, she will want to have a lot of say so into who she is going to fuck. If you deny her this choice it will end in disaster.
Second;
Are you thinking of simple swapping or are you having an orgy?
Yes, once she has agreed to consider it, having your friend's wife approach her is a good idea, but have you considered that while she might be interested in a group situation, i.e. two couples, with the women switching partners, with little or no pressure to be intimate with the other woman, to what Mark suggested, a total exchange of sexual power (yes, that is the word,) her reactions might be different.
Let the women set the rules.
If this offends some masculine part of you, then you are better off dropping the whole thing right now.
Third;
Alcohol is HER choice. Believe me, it is truly awful to awaken in a couple's bedroom/hotel room at 4 Am to hear unrestrained sobbing coming from the bathroom, and the words "I wouldn't have done it but I was drunk", no matter how intensely passionate she had been just a few hours earlier.
Remember that we equate "seduction" while under the influence with rape hon. Just because you (her spouse) are there doesn't change the ethics of the this.

Please understand, that I am saying this as a woman who used to meet tourists, women who where ostensibly straight, and convince them to take me to their hotel rooms to have a first time lesbian encounter. Was this sometimes lubricated with alcohol? Yes. But I made sure that they were interested bicurious, beforehand, and I NEVER, EVER took advantage of someone who was drunk. (even a slut has ethics).

To sum up;
Talk it out between the two of you first.
Then let her talk to the other woman, so they can set out ground rules.
Decide that "this is the night" while sober.

These rules are not a guarantee of no post -encounter recriminations later, but they will help.




Wanda

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There is an old saying, "Softly softly catchee monkey".

If you really don't want a knee so hard in your groin that you'll have a second pair of tonsils, do a lot of prep work, leaving your wife lots of avenues of saying no.

Things like going out to dinner as a foursome, getting plastered and staying in a motel with twin doubles "sorry, last room darling".

Let each couple have sex with their own partner (in the dark if need be) and get her used to the idea of other people being around during sex.

She will either become curious or not.

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No, not THAT curse.

I killed another thread...

oh well...

WW

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No WW just a slow news day

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If you killed the thread, I must have gotten in a flesh wound as it fell.

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There ya' go, OF, the eternal optimist.

Good advice WW. Never been involved with anyone but my wife, but what you said makes a lot of sense. You, too, OF!

The most important thing in any relationship is trust. It seems most everything else hinges on that. Where do you think your wifes trust level will be if you get her drunk and set up in a pre-arranged sex affair of any type.

Talk to her. Listen to her. Communication is key to any undertaking involving more then one person. Talk with your wife, about her thoughts, feelings, fears and desires. Don't get angry or upset if she says no now. Let her think it over, who knows what next month will bring.

Go slow, don't rush her but love her no matter what.

Good luck.

Couldn't have said it better Wanda. I was trying to say that but it didn't come out right. Oh well next time. I did also say that it was just an idea, nothing more. I certainly don't expect Rob to do what I said. If he does then he would indeed have a second set of tonsils as Oldfart pointed out.

Like anything, advice should be looked at as just that, advice. It is open to any interpretation to the individual. Now Rob should be smart enough to take bits and pieces that he thinks is relevant and go from there. Indeed his wife may give him the negative answers. Once he gets that I think he should not push the issue any further and leave it. After all a no is a no, in any language.

Rob I wish you the best with this and do not despair if she says no. There are other options that the 2 of you can explore together.

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Seems to me it should be your wife that you should be telling in advance.


Let me create a conversation involving this scenario.

Me: I've invited Mr. & Mrs. Lil over for dinner on Saturday, is that ok?
Mrs. WI: Yeah, that's a great idea.

Me: I think we should send the kids over to my parents for the evening...you know how loud you and Lil get when the wine starts flowing.
Mrs. WI: Ok, that's good. We won't spend half the night telling them to go to sleep.

Me: I fully intend to bang Lil right here on the kitchen table, so you may wanna plan on starting drinking early.
Mrs. WI: Thanks for the warning...you better hide the carving knives.

Me: ha ha...I'm serious.
Mrs. WI: ha ha...me too.

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Complete surrender should not just come at moments in which one faces overwhelming odds, but in the calm when it seems one is personally in complete control of one's life.

Great game that, "Hide the carving knife".

Usually hides well between the third and fourth ribs.

(OF exits, stage left, whistling "First cut is the deepest")

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