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Old 08-29-2004, 03:08 AM
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Aussies join the lie fest

Australian Prime Minister John Howard today announced a federal election on 9th October.

So we have an election campaign of 6 weeks to put up with.

It will be a very close election from all accounts.
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When you vote, pause a moment and think...of those who died so that you can.


Umm..like who?
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Please refer to any literate history of the 20th Century. You may find it enlightening, or at the very least, entertaining.
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Not to forget the many civil wars because Kings did things without much care what the people wanted. I know if a certain Germany guy had got his way I would not be here. I would have been in the oven.
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Please refer to any literate history of the 20th Century. You may find it enlightening, or at the very least, entertaining.


Can you suggest a reference for the defence of Australian democracy with human life?
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Yes. Study the Second World War - Pacific Theatre.

For further reading, permit me to suggest a review of the WWI Galipoli Campaign; the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force comprised five divisions: the British regular 29th Division; the Royal Naval Division; the Australian & New Zealand Army Corps of two divisions (the 1st Australian Division commanded by Major General Bridges, and the New Zealand & Australian Division commanded by Major General Gedley); and a French division of the Corps Expeditionnaire d'Orient.

The Australian & New Zealand Army Corps on Gallipoli was made up of Australians and New Zealanders plus men of at least eight other countries (Britain, Ceylon, India, Nepal, Egypt, Russia and Poland).

LIST OF ANZAC UNITS:

1st ANZAC CORPS
Corps Headquarters svith Signal Company (125)
Ceylon Planters' Rifle Corps (150)
Zion Mule Corps (245)
Indian Mule Cart Transport (230)
Beach Parties (280)
Fatigue Parties (400)
1St Australian Casualty Clearing Station (63)
1st Australian Depot Unit of Supply (14)
Corps Troops:
[arrived mid May to early June]
2nd Australian Light Horse Brigade:
5th Regiment (Qld)
6th Regiment (NSW)
7th Regiment (NSW)
3rd Australian Liglst Horse Brigade:
8th Regiment (Vic)
9th Regiment (Vic & SA)
10th Regiment (WA)

1ST AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
[landing, 25 April 1915]
Division Headquarters (210)
Artillery:
1st Field Arrillery Brigade (NSW)
[landing, Cape Helles]
1st, 2nd, 3rd Batteries
2nd Field Artillery Brigade (Vic) (235):
4th, 5th Batteries
2nd Bde Ammunition Column
6th Battery [at Cape Helles]
3rd Field Artillery Brigade (163):
7th (QId), 8th (WA), 9th (Tas) Batteries
3rd Bde Ammunition Column
Infantry (battalion approx. 970 at strength):
1st Australian Infantry Brigade:
1st Battalion (NSW)
2nd Battalion (NSW)
3rd Battalion (NSW)
4th Battalion (NSW)
2nd Australian Infantry Brigade:
5th Battalion (Vic)
6th Battalion (Vic)
7th Battalion (Vic)
8th Battalion (Vic)
3rd Australian Infantry Brigade:
9th Battalion (Qld)
10th Battalion (SA)
11th Battalion (WA)
12th Battalion (SA, WA & Tas)
Divisional Troops:
4th Light Horse Regiment (Vic)
[arrived mid May]
Field Engineers, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Pd Coys (each 160)
Field Ambulances, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Fd Amb (each 115)
Divisional Supply Train (less Transport Section) (155)

NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIAN (NZ & A) DIVISION
[Landing, 25 April 1915]
Division Headquarters (155)
Artillery:
New Zealand Field Artillery Brigade Headquarters (30)
No.1 & No.2 Batteries NZ PA (140)
Howitrer Bty & Ammunition Column (98)
Infantry:
New Zealand Infantry Brigade:
(each approx. 937)
Auckiand Battalion
Canterbury Battalion
Otago Battalion
Wellington Battalion
New Zealand Moanted Rifle Brigade:
Aucland Mounted Rifles
Canterbury Mounted Rifles
Wellington Mounted Rifles
4th Australian Infantry Brigade:
(each approx. 960)
13th Battalion (NSW)
14th Battalion (Vic)
15th Battalion (Qld & Tas)
16th Battalion (SA & WA)
1st Australian Light Horse Brigade:
[arrived mid May]
1st Regiment (NSW)
2nd Regiment (Qld)
3rd Regiment (SA & Tas)
29th Indian Infantry Brigade:
14th Sikhs
1st/5th Gurkha Rifles
lst/6th Gurkha Rifles
2nd/10th Gurkha Rifles
Divisional Troops:
Field Engineers, NZ Fd Coy (145)
Field Ambulance, NZ Fd Amb (125)
4th Aust Fd Amb (190)
NZ and Aust. Division Supply Train (83)

2nd AUSTIIALIAN DIVISION
[arrived end August to early September] Division Headquarters
5th Australian Infantry Brigade:
17th Battalion (NSW)
18th Battalion (NSW)
19th Battalion (NSW)
20th Battalion (NSW)
6th Australian Infantry Brigade:
21st Battalion (Vic)
22nd Battalion (Vic)
23rd Battalion (Vic)
24th Battalion (Vic)
7th Australian Infantry Brigade:
25th Battalion (Qld)
26th Battalion (Qld & Tas)
27th Battalion (SA)
28th Battalion (WA)
4th Australian Light Horse Brigade:
11th Regiment
(Qld & SA)
12th Regiment (NSW)

Divisional Troops:
13th Light Horse Regiment (Vic)
Australian Army Nursing Service (AANS) and Hospital Ships,
Anxac Cove and Lemnos Island. Nurses served on the hospital ships and at the 3rd Australian General Hospital on Lemnos. 25 nurses sailed with the 1st Convoy, 126 nurses with the 2nd Convoy etc. Doctors served as officers in the Field Ambulance units and as medical officers in each battalion.

I trust this will prove useful.
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So we have an election campaign of 6 weeks to put up with.
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That must be what makes Americans tough. :madfire: Anybody can hold their breath for a crummy six weeks while the bullshit stacks up. We’re taught to endure the privation of truth for at least a complete solar revolution on a quad-annual schedule. Any pansy-ass can tolerate one quick stab of less than two moon phases immersed in fabrication, propaganda and mass hysteria.

That won’t take enough out of the pockets of the manipulators to even be noted. Your media doesn’t get diverted from reporting fact and ignoring reality to ever become anything but armature spin artists. Your economy will never benefit from artificial inflation and your people will never grasp at the hopes of the carrot of honest change. How do you ever expect to become a competitor of global exploitation?





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Can you suggest a reference for the defence of Australian democracy with human life?


Belial my father was in a little thing called World War 2. Australia was left high and dry and if not for a few brave folks you would not be here or you would be a Belialsan instead.
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Yes. Study the Second World War - Pacific Theatre.

For further reading, permit me to suggest a review of the WWI Galipoli Campaign; the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force comprised five divisions: the British regular 29th Division; the Royal Naval Division; the Australian & New Zealand Army Corps of two divisions (the 1st Australian Division commanded by Major General Bridges, and the New Zealand & Australian Division commanded by Major General Gedley); and a French division of the Corps Expeditionnaire d'Orient.

The Australian & New Zealand Army Corps on Gallipoli was made up of Australians and New Zealanders plus men of at least eight other countries (Britain, Ceylon, India, Nepal, Egypt, Russia and Poland).

LIST OF ANZAC UNITS:

1st ANZAC CORPS
Corps Headquarters svith Signal Company (125)
Ceylon Planters' Rifle Corps (150)
Zion Mule Corps (245)
Indian Mule Cart Transport (230)
Beach Parties (280)
Fatigue Parties (400)
1St Australian Casualty Clearing Station (63)
1st Australian Depot Unit of Supply (14)
Corps Troops:
[arrived mid May to early June]
2nd Australian Light Horse Brigade:
5th Regiment (Qld)
6th Regiment (NSW)
7th Regiment (NSW)
3rd Australian Liglst Horse Brigade:
8th Regiment (Vic)
9th Regiment (Vic & SA)
10th Regiment (WA)

1ST AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
[landing, 25 April 1915]
Division Headquarters (210)
Artillery:
1st Field Arrillery Brigade (NSW)
[landing, Cape Helles]
1st, 2nd, 3rd Batteries
2nd Field Artillery Brigade (Vic) (235):
4th, 5th Batteries
2nd Bde Ammunition Column
6th Battery [at Cape Helles]
3rd Field Artillery Brigade (163):
7th (QId), 8th (WA), 9th (Tas) Batteries
3rd Bde Ammunition Column
Infantry (battalion approx. 970 at strength):
1st Australian Infantry Brigade:
1st Battalion (NSW)
2nd Battalion (NSW)
3rd Battalion (NSW)
4th Battalion (NSW)
2nd Australian Infantry Brigade:
5th Battalion (Vic)
6th Battalion (Vic)
7th Battalion (Vic)
8th Battalion (Vic)
3rd Australian Infantry Brigade:
9th Battalion (Qld)
10th Battalion (SA)
11th Battalion (WA)
12th Battalion (SA, WA & Tas)
Divisional Troops:
4th Light Horse Regiment (Vic)
[arrived mid May]
Field Engineers, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Pd Coys (each 160)
Field Ambulances, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Fd Amb (each 115)
Divisional Supply Train (less Transport Section) (155)

NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIAN (NZ & A) DIVISION
[Landing, 25 April 1915]
Division Headquarters (155)
Artillery:
New Zealand Field Artillery Brigade Headquarters (30)
No.1 & No.2 Batteries NZ PA (140)
Howitrer Bty & Ammunition Column (98)
Infantry:
New Zealand Infantry Brigade:
(each approx. 937)
Auckiand Battalion
Canterbury Battalion
Otago Battalion
Wellington Battalion
New Zealand Moanted Rifle Brigade:
Aucland Mounted Rifles
Canterbury Mounted Rifles
Wellington Mounted Rifles
4th Australian Infantry Brigade:
(each approx. 960)
13th Battalion (NSW)
14th Battalion (Vic)
15th Battalion (Qld & Tas)
16th Battalion (SA & WA)
1st Australian Light Horse Brigade:
[arrived mid May]
1st Regiment (NSW)
2nd Regiment (Qld)
3rd Regiment (SA & Tas)
29th Indian Infantry Brigade:
14th Sikhs
1st/5th Gurkha Rifles
lst/6th Gurkha Rifles
2nd/10th Gurkha Rifles
Divisional Troops:
Field Engineers, NZ Fd Coy (145)
Field Ambulance, NZ Fd Amb (125)
4th Aust Fd Amb (190)
NZ and Aust. Division Supply Train (83)

2nd AUSTIIALIAN DIVISION
[arrived end August to early September] Division Headquarters
5th Australian Infantry Brigade:
17th Battalion (NSW)
18th Battalion (NSW)
19th Battalion (NSW)
20th Battalion (NSW)
6th Australian Infantry Brigade:
21st Battalion (Vic)
22nd Battalion (Vic)
23rd Battalion (Vic)
24th Battalion (Vic)
7th Australian Infantry Brigade:
25th Battalion (Qld)
26th Battalion (Qld & Tas)
27th Battalion (SA)
28th Battalion (WA)
4th Australian Light Horse Brigade:
11th Regiment
(Qld & SA)
12th Regiment (NSW)

Divisional Troops:
13th Light Horse Regiment (Vic)
Australian Army Nursing Service (AANS) and Hospital Ships,
Anxac Cove and Lemnos Island. Nurses served on the hospital ships and at the 3rd Australian General Hospital on Lemnos. 25 nurses sailed with the 1st Convoy, 126 nurses with the 2nd Convoy etc. Doctors served as officers in the Field Ambulance units and as medical officers in each battalion.

I trust this will prove useful.

ANZAC Cove is a place I would like to see.
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Old 08-29-2004, 07:32 PM
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Belial my father was in a little thing called World War 2. Australia was left high and dry and if not for a few brave folks you would not be here or you would be a Belialsan instead.


I am well aware of the raids conducted on northern Australia.

Did Japan have designs on Australia as an entire continent?

Besides, Japan has had democracy in some form for quite a while now. Even if I was a "Belialsan" - which is no certainty even if Australia had not resisted in the Pacific theater as the atom bombs were what convinced Japan to surrender - I'd still be voting.
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I'm well aware of the ANZAC involvement in WW1. It's very difficult to be educated in Australia and not be told wonderful tales of the "ANZAC spirit".

Now, maybe I'm naive, but I'm pretty sure there was no fighting anywhere near Australia in WW1, nor any fighting anywhere that threatened Australia's sovreignity.

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Yes. Study the Second World War - Pacific Theatre.

For further reading, permit me to suggest a review of the WWI Galipoli Campaign; the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force comprised five divisions: the British regular 29th Division; the Royal Naval Division; the Australian & New Zealand Army Corps of two divisions (the 1st Australian Division commanded by Major General Bridges, and the New Zealand & Australian Division commanded by Major General Gedley); and a French division of the Corps Expeditionnaire d'Orient.

The Australian & New Zealand Army Corps on Gallipoli was made up of Australians and New Zealanders plus men of at least eight other countries (Britain, Ceylon, India, Nepal, Egypt, Russia and Poland).

LIST OF ANZAC UNITS:

1st ANZAC CORPS
Corps Headquarters svith Signal Company (125)
Ceylon Planters' Rifle Corps (150)
Zion Mule Corps (245)
Indian Mule Cart Transport (230)
Beach Parties (280)
Fatigue Parties (400)
1St Australian Casualty Clearing Station (63)
1st Australian Depot Unit of Supply (14)
Corps Troops:
[arrived mid May to early June]
2nd Australian Light Horse Brigade:
5th Regiment (Qld)
6th Regiment (NSW)
7th Regiment (NSW)
3rd Australian Liglst Horse Brigade:
8th Regiment (Vic)
9th Regiment (Vic & SA)
10th Regiment (WA)

1ST AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
[landing, 25 April 1915]
Division Headquarters (210)
Artillery:
1st Field Arrillery Brigade (NSW)
[landing, Cape Helles]
1st, 2nd, 3rd Batteries
2nd Field Artillery Brigade (Vic) (235):
4th, 5th Batteries
2nd Bde Ammunition Column
6th Battery [at Cape Helles]
3rd Field Artillery Brigade (163):
7th (QId), 8th (WA), 9th (Tas) Batteries
3rd Bde Ammunition Column
Infantry (battalion approx. 970 at strength):
1st Australian Infantry Brigade:
1st Battalion (NSW)
2nd Battalion (NSW)
3rd Battalion (NSW)
4th Battalion (NSW)
2nd Australian Infantry Brigade:
5th Battalion (Vic)
6th Battalion (Vic)
7th Battalion (Vic)
8th Battalion (Vic)
3rd Australian Infantry Brigade:
9th Battalion (Qld)
10th Battalion (SA)
11th Battalion (WA)
12th Battalion (SA, WA & Tas)
Divisional Troops:
4th Light Horse Regiment (Vic)
[arrived mid May]
Field Engineers, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Pd Coys (each 160)
Field Ambulances, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Fd Amb (each 115)
Divisional Supply Train (less Transport Section) (155)

NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIAN (NZ & A) DIVISION
[Landing, 25 April 1915]
Division Headquarters (155)
Artillery:
New Zealand Field Artillery Brigade Headquarters (30)
No.1 & No.2 Batteries NZ PA (140)
Howitrer Bty & Ammunition Column (98)
Infantry:
New Zealand Infantry Brigade:
(each approx. 937)
Auckiand Battalion
Canterbury Battalion
Otago Battalion
Wellington Battalion
New Zealand Moanted Rifle Brigade:
Aucland Mounted Rifles
Canterbury Mounted Rifles
Wellington Mounted Rifles
4th Australian Infantry Brigade:
(each approx. 960)
13th Battalion (NSW)
14th Battalion (Vic)
15th Battalion (Qld & Tas)
16th Battalion (SA & WA)
1st Australian Light Horse Brigade:
[arrived mid May]
1st Regiment (NSW)
2nd Regiment (Qld)
3rd Regiment (SA & Tas)
29th Indian Infantry Brigade:
14th Sikhs
1st/5th Gurkha Rifles
lst/6th Gurkha Rifles
2nd/10th Gurkha Rifles
Divisional Troops:
Field Engineers, NZ Fd Coy (145)
Field Ambulance, NZ Fd Amb (125)
4th Aust Fd Amb (190)
NZ and Aust. Division Supply Train (83)

2nd AUSTIIALIAN DIVISION
[arrived end August to early September] Division Headquarters
5th Australian Infantry Brigade:
17th Battalion (NSW)
18th Battalion (NSW)
19th Battalion (NSW)
20th Battalion (NSW)
6th Australian Infantry Brigade:
21st Battalion (Vic)
22nd Battalion (Vic)
23rd Battalion (Vic)
24th Battalion (Vic)
7th Australian Infantry Brigade:
25th Battalion (Qld)
26th Battalion (Qld & Tas)
27th Battalion (SA)
28th Battalion (WA)
4th Australian Light Horse Brigade:
11th Regiment
(Qld & SA)
12th Regiment (NSW)

Divisional Troops:
13th Light Horse Regiment (Vic)
Australian Army Nursing Service (AANS) and Hospital Ships,
Anxac Cove and Lemnos Island. Nurses served on the hospital ships and at the 3rd Australian General Hospital on Lemnos. 25 nurses sailed with the 1st Convoy, 126 nurses with the 2nd Convoy etc. Doctors served as officers in the Field Ambulance units and as medical officers in each battalion.

I trust this will prove useful.
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I am well aware of the raids conducted on northern Australia.

Did Japan have designs on Australia as an entire continent?

Besides, Japan has had democracy in some form for quite a while now. Even if I was a "Belialsan" - which is no certainty even if Australia had not resisted in the Pacific theater as the atom bombs were what convinced Japan to surrender - I'd still be voting.


Belial my fathr was in the forces that took the Jap South Pac HQ. There they found boxes of Jap made Australian money to be used after they took us over. Further they did not give rights to areas they took. We would have been used as a slave labour force. My mothers first hubby was killed in a death march. Jap was controlled by the army with a God King. If Australia had of been taken the US would have taken longer to get close enough to drop the bombs on Jap. The Marine landings in the Pacific were all launched from Australia.
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