I can see from President Putin's demeanour that he will be taking the Ghengis Khan approach, but what does our war involve?

I keep hearing the rally of "war on terrorism" but I can't think of seeing what the objectives and campaigns are or will be.

Does anyone know? I'd feel more comfortable supporting it if I knew what we were doing.

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Madam, if you were my wife, I would take it.

Don't know if any of you heard, but there was a bombing attack on the Australian embassy in Indonesia.

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Half of a set :halo:

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Understated and reflecting that kind and gentle manner we've come to love ...

I agree.

Yes i agree Sharni, show the bastards no mercy, they dont care if they kill anyone, children included. It never achieves anything either except create suffering and misery to the victims who are mostly totally divorced the issue that the terrorists are trying to force.

The loudest opening shots of this war happened during the fundamentalist Islamic

revolution in Iran, when the Shah Razi Pahlevi was ousted by the allies of the Ayatolla

Khomeni.

Islam, which we have been told is not evangelical, seems to have developed interests

which are at the very least geographical.

Our golden age of peace is over, and we'll have to fight tooth and claw to hold our

piece of the planet.

Where did I read recently about a group who wanted to form a black islamic state

in the deep south of the USA?

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why In the hell hasnt bush found Binladen? Why didn't he order troops to begin a widespread manhunt to find him? There isn't a clear cut reason why the US is in iraq. Am i wrong or am i crazy.

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Those "LLFBTs" have kicked our ass significantly (9/11). I believe you all underestimate their resolve and wit. What is scary to me is that our population can be so manipulated by newsbites that it can a) elect Bush and 2) and much worse probably reelect Bush.

He is a powermonger. Ask yourself if we are at war, why has he visited Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida over 100 times in the last year? Sounds like he is really working hard at hording his power and not leading a war.

My perspective on that really - it gives him less time to fuck more things up.

Have no doubt, BinLaden wants Bush as president. He plays Bush like a concert pianist.

I'm not likely to forget 9/11 anytime soon....Nor do i underestimate the scum sucking bastards..

I'm not American but i support Bush in his decision to get the mongrels....as i would support any country in stamping out terrorism.....Australia too is in the fight....

How dare they think that by killing our own that we are going to give in to them....fucken dickheads dont have a clue....all they are doing is putting more against them

They will not stop until they are all dead....and i have absolutely no qualms about being part of a country that is trying to help them on there way!!

If a country gives in....then it has already started its path to living in fear of terrorism...becoming none other than a 'slave' to them... I support the 'we do NOT negotiate with terrorists'

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What has made these people so angry at us that they are willing to give up there lives to make a point. We in the developed countries are afraid to ask that question. Afraid because if the question is asked we might not like the answer.

I think that the act of terrorism is a cowardly method of dealing with a conflict. The act tends to draw attention away from the issue and onto the act. This is a conflict. I'm sure that if we are honest we would find that both sides are not as innocent as they make out.

I never ever ever know how to make this point. And the only way I can think to do it now is possibly going to get me in enough hot water to boil the ocean between us. All I can say is this is no way about you, Sharni, I just need to borrow your words. You put it very well. It's just that I can't get past the idea that the bad guys are human.

I take nothing away from the fact that the various terrorist attacks were hideously wrong, and it is a normal human reaction to be both frightened and angry. Anyone who didn't react by thinking exactly what Sharni said:



either is more evolved than I am, or isn't being honest. I thought it. Until the shock and pain faded, and reason came back, I definately thought it.

But the people in Iraq (who didn't attack us....and who have no demonstrable connection to al Quaida...sorry, it demands repetition) are human too. We have chosen to kill to further our interests. And somewhere there's a woman seeing red in Iraq, who will never forget a bombed out marketplace, who may now agree with Sharni....but she's talking about us.

Violence begets violence. The British are STILL in Northern Ireland, and they didn't bomb it into submission first. The first signs of hope that horrific quagmire saw came with the incredibly controversial move to acknowledge and deal with the IRA. At least now they're making progress.

I'm not now, nor have I ever anywhere, suggested that terrorism should be ignored. But as long as we use the war on terror as an excuse to promulgate conventional warfare, we are breeding the next generation of terrorists. I know this, because should another country ever invade my home on some laudible pretext, I know how I'd react and I am NOT a violent person normally. So long as we think tanks and bombs are worth a tinkers damn in this war, we're going to lose. Oh, we'll win the invasion...but we won't win the war on terror. For that, we have to change the paradigm, or we're going to keep losing. More than that, though: until someone finds the damned high road in this conflict, it's going to escalate. And so long as we can justify killing civilians, or occupying countries, in persuit of the war on terror...we have no hope of finding the high road.

G

I heard.

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This sucks, do we realy have to pick sides between terrorists and fascists?

No sir, you don't. You never have had to do so.

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"War on Terror" is a ridiculously grandinose title for a narrowly-focussed war on certain nations who have been selected for their respective political significance and complete abscence of prospects for victory.

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