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Old 01-25-2006, 07:38 PM
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I'm afraid I don't see what all the who-ha is about with Alito, if the abortion question came up to day with the Supreme Court the vote would most likely be 6-3, when Alito gets confirmed then the vote will be 5-4 and will not change a thing in the long run. We have had 'bad' judges on the Court in the last 200 yrs and we will have more in the future and yet are country is still here. Poeple should fine something important to spend so much time on. How about Cancer for starters?


Well considering that the Supreme Court will be the final say on stem cell research I think that stresses the importance of who we put on it.
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:11 PM
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I'm keeping my mouth shut because it's obvious that we can't be discussing fathers here.

And by that, I mean "fathers", not sperm donors.



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Old 01-25-2006, 09:42 PM
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Well considering that the Supreme Court will be the final say on stem cell research I think that stresses the importance of who we put on it.

That’s interesting. I was unaware of any Federal lawsuits involving stem cell research having been appealed to the Supreme Court on constitutional grounds.
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Old 01-26-2006, 03:33 AM
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i hope none are. heck in my opinion abortion isnt a constitutional issue. nowhere in the constitution is it anywhere near covered. let the states(your immediate electorate) vote on it. same with stem cell research. the federal government should never have this much control over your personal lives.
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Old 01-26-2006, 05:49 AM
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That’s interesting. I was unaware of any Federal lawsuits involving stem cell research having been appealed to the Supreme Court on constitutional grounds.



I believe at some point it will be and since the justices' reign is for life it makes the appointment scouring a necessary evil.
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Old 01-26-2006, 08:13 AM
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I'm keeping my mouth shut because it's obvious that we can't be discussing fathers here.

And by that, I mean "fathers", not sperm donors.

It's been argued as to when life begins...at conception, or in a further developmental stage?

I think the term "father" and "mother" are used here to say who got who pregnant. But if a person isn't of the belief that life begins at the moment of conception, and an abortion is performed at the extreme earliest awareness of conception...well, that's a whole other kettle of fish.

Sorry to throw fuel on the fire...but it had to be said! Sometimes it sucks being the devil's advocate...
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Old 01-26-2006, 11:48 AM
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It's been argued as to when life begins...at conception, or in a further developmental stage?

I think the term "father" and "mother" are used here to say who got who pregnant. But if a person isn't of the belief that life begins at the moment of conception, and an abortion is performed at the extreme earliest awareness of conception...well, that's a whole other kettle of fish.

Sorry to throw fuel on the fire...but it had to be said! Sometimes it sucks being the devil's advocate...



I was referring to the psychological and behavioural distinction between fathers and sperm donors. Impregnating someone and reappearing only to lay claim to the egg my seed happens to fertilize, or to demand termination, is a foreign concept to me. I just don't see how anyone can have sex with someone and walk away and because I wasn't making that distinction...my feathers got ruffled.

To clarify my position: Fathers should have a say in the life of their unborn child.

Sperm donors should not.
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Old 01-26-2006, 12:08 PM
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I believe at some point it will be and since the justices' reign is for life it makes the appointment scouring a necessary evil.

Well, perhaps that will happen.

Now if the other two branches of our federal government were scoured well enough to get the frequency of their scandals as low as it already is for the Judiciary, we would be making REAL progress!

I know that makes me a hopeless idealist, but at least I can dream of it!
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Well, perhaps that will happen.

Now if the other two branches of our federal government were scoured well enough to get the frequency of their scandals as low as it already is for the Judiciary, we would be making REAL progress!

I know that makes me a hopeless idealist, but at least I can dream of it!



Take politics out of the government ......... oh fore sooth!

But it is nice to dream.
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Old 01-27-2006, 08:26 AM
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Take politics out of the government ...

Scarecrow,

I don’t recommend that at all. If the politics is taken out of government, all that’s left is ideology, and governments which ideologically, rather than politically based, are in my experience, routinely intrusive, frequently hazardous, and occasionally lethal.

What I would like and hope for, even if it is unrealistic, is less misbehavior, graft, corruption, and the like from the elected in both the Legislative and Executive branches of government.

Granted, their antics do provide a measure of entertainment for the electorate, but that is not why they are in office.
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