If I am understanding your post correctly....

Are you saying that a man should be able to stop an abortion if he wants to take care the future child? How could he be forced to do this if he changed his mind? Should he be forced to be a father and if so how can he be?

My god that would mean that any man could control a woman's body if he saw fit. I think we quit being chattel a long time ago.

If the man doesn't want the woman to have the pregnancy go to term, does that mean he gives up his rights and responsibilities to that child?
In other words does he forfiet his responsibility to provide support whether it be monetary or otherwise because he didn't want it in the first place?

Yes, if the man wants to be a loving father to that baby. Yes indeed.

Change his mind? Do you mean that he says he wants it month 3 and then decides "no" in Month 8? Good question...whatever the answer, even if it is adoption, is better than murder.




I do not think a man has a right to force a woman into having an abortion. No way, no how.

I imagine the worst-case situation, where a woman is raped. The biological father...a rapist...has a choice whether or not he wants her to have a baby. She wants to abort, but he wants a child. So she's forced to carry the child of a rapist to term, and then turn the kid over to him? Yikes.

Equally bad in cases of incest. Or how about a man who is abusive to his girlfriend/wife but still wants kids? Shouldn't that be the woman's choice to bring the child into the world (or not)?

I think most mature women -- under normal circumstances -- will talk it over with the man. While any guy I'd have sex with could have an opinion, in the end I feel it should be my decision whether to have the child or not.

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There would clearly need to be an exception for cases such as these. I'm thinking more along the lines of a consensual circumstance. Now, she could lie and say he raped her...which would create a real legal mess. Solving in a timely fashion would be critical...obviously.




Good question...

Such a complex situation! Personally (IM very humble opinion) I believe we should spend more time developing morals in our children, rather than trying to legislate them.

There are some really good parents out there (and I'm sure you and your wife are among them!), but those kids aren't the ones (generally) that need the laws. We're trying to legislate for the *rest* of society, rather than nipping the problem in the bud.

I can imagine a situation where I would need to have an abortion, and I don't want this right taken away from me. But it'd be a damn unusual situation, and would be a very hard decision for me to make.

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I think men talk to women so they can sleep with them and women sleep with men so they can talk to them. ~ Jay McInerney

First off I never said that you thought a man had a right to force an abortion. What I said was does the man, if he does not want the child carried to full term, still have the responsibility to support said child?

It's unfortunate that you would force a woman,to carry a child she did not want in the first place,if you wanted the child upon birth. Yet you give men the right to decide if they if they don't want it after birth,to have it placed elsewhere. IMO that is a double standard at the very least, then I don't look at a theraputic abortion as murder and that is where the differences lie and will never come together.

See you may find it hard to believe from my posts, but personally I don't think I could have ever had an abortion when younger but now if I got pregnant I would be there in a minute. That is my personal choice and yet I would never ever inflict my belief system onto anyone else who was facing what must be one of the most difficult decisions of their life.

ROFLMFAOPMP
That’s all I have to say about THAT!





As for the rest, it’s been an interesting read ……… after a couple days of thinking about the original questions that Lixy posed, I do now have something to post.

Bibi said it ALL for me. I KNOW I do not, and NEVER will, have a right to even an opinion on something that I can NEVER know. I do not believe that any other man has that right either.





Those numbers caught my attention right from the start. Just the initial post meant that there had to be an average of half a century of data. I know that you can find almost ANYTHIG you want on such a controversial subject, but, as Lil noted, those just jumped out as having as much ‘cause’ as ‘information’ involved with them………. Maybe more.



Many of my BASIC feelings are expressed here. ‘Protecting OTHERS’ from someone seems to often turn into ‘protection from ourselves’ at any price. Law makers have neither the means nor the right to decide what is good for me.



[see above statement and keep it in context]
I believe that making any law that the is completely unenforceable is a waste and makes fools out of the entire system.




The problem with ‘electing’ a life long position that is perhaps more important and powerful than the Presidency, is that it would mean that power and money would be the driving force. Can you imagine the campaign bullshit that would cover EVER aspect of the person being put in THAT position by the professional liars and thieves that run the rest of our elections? No thanks! As Lilith said, (god, how it hurts to keep saying that ) every wart on their ass should be scrutinized from the day they were born. Now if the congress that is going to bequeath these dictatorial powers, would be as sincere and representative of the people they are doing this ‘for’, instead of ‘party line’ oriented, we MAY have a chance of the constitution being related to the needs and wants of the population.

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I would like to see the candidate for any high office be subjected to the same few days of public review rather than the two years of games and power-playing bull that we have now.

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Just a thought...

If a man wants to be a "loving father", I feel like he should find a mate who is as willing to provide him with a child.

In other words...in most cases where a woman wants to end a pregnancy, the pregnancy was an accident on both participant's parts. The only scenario I can think of where both parties would want to have a baby together and then after conception chose to abort, would be for a medical necessity of some sort. All in all, it's usually an accidental pregnancy.

That said, it seems to me that the "couple" (and I use the term lightly) should have discussed their views on the "what if's" well before such an incident occurs. Most often, this is NOT the case. Ergo the term "accident".

After such an "accident", why should it then be OK for the man to decide the fate of the woman and therefore the unborn child based solely on HIS feelings and morals? Is she just a vessel? Doesn't this unwanted/accidental pregnancy impact her life far more than it does his?

Just a thought...

P.S. ROFLMAO@jseal! Looks like I may have some new friends. Thanks for the link hun!

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Gentlefolk,

For any one who may be interested, here is the Row v. Wade ruling:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scrip...l=410&invol=113

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At least I fix my typos contrary to others whom I shall not mention

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What's a 'typo'?




















ROFL

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Well, you certainly live a sheltered life, but I am more than willing to teach by example, so the next time I see you have made a typo, I shall be sure to point it out to you in order for you to have a full understanding.....

LMAO

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I think this sums up my feeling perfectly. Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

Not to stir up the hornets nest, but let me ask this, today Bush said,
"You believe, as I do, that every human life has value, that the strong have a duty to protect the weak, and that the self-evident truths of the Declaration of Independence apply to everyone, not just to those considered healthy or wanted or convenient," to a group of abortion foes.
My question is simply, seeing how he has gotten us into two wars, not properly equipped our troops with needed armor, and is more than willing to torture and use capital punishment (I'll leave arguments about Medicare spending and medication for the poor to those who understand it better than I), is this statement completely hypocritical?
Is this just a anti-abortion double standard where it's ok to kill anyone who has already been born, but not a fetus, or is there truly some disconnect that he can't see that supporting one would imply support for the other?
I just don't understand. In my mind, abortion, whether or not you support it, is not the cause of problems, it's an effect. And you don't treat effects if you want to cure a problem. There's so much effort in trying to prevent abortion, but can we have decent sex ed in this country to prevent teens from getting accidentally pregnant? No, of course not. Can we distribute birth control or teach people how to use them? No. What about setting up serious programs to allow people to pay for and provide prenatal funding, care, and adoption services for pregnant women who are not able to pay for the expenses (actual and emotional) incurred during pregnancy? There may be groups out there that do that, but I'm not aware of any. Just once, instead of seeing a protester yell at a woman choosing to get an abortion, I'd like to see someone offer to take the woman in, pay all costs, adopt the child, and not preach to them. WWJD? I believe the answer is not accuse them. That's just my feeling on it.
Also, while I'm ranting, instead of spending a ton of money on IVF, spend that money on adoption. This is a little off topic, but it ticks me off to see people have multiple children due to IVF and then thank God. Maybe God didn't want you to have your own kids...maybe you were supposed to foster or adopt, but no, you had to take matters into your own hands.

Stepping off the soapbox now, sorry for the rant.

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