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Old 04-04-2004, 06:21 AM
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Lilith - I'm with you on this one, particularly on the 1st count.

There is definitely something wrong with someone mentally/ emotionally to be able to do that to another human being.

That's not to say that I don't think they should be locked away for a very long time. My personal feeling is that people like this should be institutionalised in a specialist psychiatric facility, kept away from the public and from 'sane' criminals, for their own and others' safety.
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Old 04-04-2004, 06:56 AM
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holy fucking shit she got off dear lord what is this world coming to . WTF i mean she KILLED her kids and she gets sent to a mental ward fuck that when she gets out shell just do it all over again omg the jury def needs to reavaluate their lives and get their heads out of thier asses. i can not belive this how the hell cud u find her not guilty omfg. and the dad SLEPT tho this WTH no way !!! i know my husband sleeps hard and deep but JFC hed sure as hell wake up if he heard his child scream! omg im gona go cry now. i hope the woman rots in hell and the dad and jury are plagued w guitl for the rest of thier fucking lives !

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Old 04-04-2004, 08:28 AM
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Lou~ I agree we should have a couple of prisons, not state hospitals, made specifically for the criminally insane...where they receive treatment with trained guards/psychiatric staff and spend the rest of their lives isolated from the rest of the world.

So many criminally insane are taking up space in some state mental facility that it deteriorates the quality of care available to the non-criminal patients.
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Old 04-04-2004, 10:12 AM
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I have a feeling that this is one woman who will be recieving her own personal body guards when she get's out.

Psycho's husband actually rallied to her defense. I'm sorry, but as much as I love anyone in my family, and my husband, anyone of them so much as hurts my babies, they're about as dead as they can be.
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Old 04-04-2004, 11:21 AM
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I guess I come at a slightly different viewpoint not having children but I think it makes more sense to send her to a mental asylum than a prison. She was obviously insane if she believed God spoke to her to tell her to kill her children, and the manner in which she killed them. I do not believe that there is any point in executing her as with the correct treatment she may come to her senses and realise the consequences of her actions and repent them.
If she does so then perhaps one day she will be safe to participate within society again, if she stays insane then she stays locked up in the asylum.

As for the husband not hearing the screams......how many of you have heard screams while children are playing in their nearby back gardens or the street. If a child screamed repeatedly then most of us would go to investigate, but once or twice? I do not think many people would think it was more than kids playing silly buggers.

Oh well thats my six penneth

Oh, and in the UK we have several prisons which are secure mental facilites for those who have been convicted on insanity pleas or confined for the safety of the general public.
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Old 04-04-2004, 12:20 PM
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I agree with Dicksbro!It should have been"GUILTY by reason of insanity!"If you can't do the time,Don't do the crime!"I wish that they,had put her in jail.Other inmates HATE,child molesters or wife
beaters.If she was lucky,she would last two days!I doubt if her kids,even screamed.After all,who expects your mother to beat your head in.The last that I heard,the Drs.,still don't know the
complete long term effects,donr to the baby! Irish
P.S.Anyone,really,religious,wouldn't beleive that God,would tell you to kill someone.
P.P.S.Just my $.02
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Old 04-04-2004, 12:45 PM
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Again, I think I see this a bit differently than many, years of studying all things psychological (just because I love the topic) and having at least one friend who is permanently unable to function well (not that she's violent) in society because of chemical imbalances in her brain chemestry leave me with a certain understanding that such a thing can happen and that she may not have had any control over the outcome.

That's not to say that I want her out in the general public until what ever the problem is can be corrected - if it can be corrected - having been in a few mental institutions, no matter how caring the staff, I'm not sure I wouldn't prefer prison from a personal viewpoint, those places are scary in a way that prison could never scare me!

Anyway, the jury heard all of the details, and what I know of it is only what others have reported, so, for me, I think it is best to trust in the system of justice and believe that the choice was made by 12 jurors with a rational perspective. ... just my 2 cents worth anyway.
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Old 04-04-2004, 01:04 PM
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I guess I come at a slightly different viewpoint not having children but I think it makes more sense to send her to a mental asylum than a prison. As for the husband not hearing the screams......how many of you have heard screams while children are playing in their nearby back gardens or the street. If a child screamed repeatedly then most of us would go to investigate, but once or twice? I do not think many people would think it was more than kids playing silly buggers.


Actualy as a parent I can tell my children's cries from any other. However my husband can sleep through it. Did these people not have neighbors? I doubt they thought the lady was out there playing catch with her kids.

We have a case here in Colorado right now about a woman who drowned her two kids last October. She also is using insanity as a defense.

It just makes me sick to even dwell on for too long. There is no way any woman could be anything but insane and harm her children like this. However using that as a defense isn't fare to anyone, not the women, not the children, and not the families.
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Old 04-04-2004, 06:01 PM
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I just read the entire coverage on the verdict in this morning's paper. I'm unfortunate enough to live in the Dallas area (she's from Tyler, one of the metroplex suburbs) where these things that happen seem nearly commonplace. I mean, they seem to occur more frequently than I consider to be acceptable.

This reaffirms my belief that our society needs some sort of a 'test' before reproduction. Afterall we need a test to drive, a license to marry, but reproduction (possibly the largest responsibility in my mind) only requires properly function reproduction systems of two people ... no more, no less. Thus, day in and day out, people who are better off not holding the responsibility of parenthood are faced with the task and fail miserably.
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Old 04-04-2004, 07:32 PM
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If she does so then perhaps one day she will be safe to participate within society again, if she stays insane then she stays locked up in the asylum.



Why should she be allowed freedom, when her children aren't? Yes, I agree, she needs help. But that doesn't change the fact that she should be locked away.

Most prisoner's recieve any and all health care they need, free of charge to them. Why can't they also get psychiatric care while in prison?

I think if you argue that the woman was insane for murdering 2 living beings, then all people who kill should be tried under the assumption that they are in fact insane. But, we don't.

It bothers me that she only showed remorse once she realized that she was up for possible life sentances. Even had she gotten life, she was up for parole after 40 years.

So, she gets to roam free, able to live her life, with no reprocussions in just a few short years? Why? Personally, I say gas the bitch. You kill someone, you die. What she did was purposful, and methodical, even if she wasn't right in the head when she did it. She knew what she was doing, because even now, she claims god told her to. That in and of itself indicates that she was aware of the actions she was doing, but that she did it simply because she felt a higher being told her to.

This also dips into whether or not she was hearing her own thoughts, and attributing them to God putting them there, or if she was thinking on her own. I'm not a religious person, but I do believe in some things. She was a devoutly religous person, and thought that the God most people attribute to bringing life to this world, would want her to take it from 3 innocent children? I don't buy it, not in the least. Sure, she was insane, but she knew what she was doing.
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:59 AM
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Unfortunately we here in the good ole U.S. allow the insanity defense. Personally, I don't think it has a place in the court. If a person has a mental problem, get them some help. But don't override the judicial system simply because they have a mental problem. I think that anyone who commits a gruesomely serious crime is mentally ill, and should be punished, regardless of his or her mental condition.

My cousin's husband stole some jewels when he was younger, got caught, and pleaded temporary insanity. He was sent to the state mental institution for about 3 months then released with no further action taken. The only temporary insanity was that he broke into the jewelry store. The insanity plea has been abused so often in our courts it is totally ridicules.
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Old 04-07-2004, 10:03 AM
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I think anyone capable of murder (true murder...premeditated or snap decision) is not fully sane. There's a big bell that should go off in your head when you're at that point of no return, and if you ignore it...you're nuts. Go to jail and do your time. If the judge thinks you should get out, you should be tested and treated accordingly so that when you are set free, you don't do it again. If you are sentenced to stay in prison until you die, taxpayer's money shouldn't be wasted treating you.

As for charging the spouse...that's a gray area. Many of us can't even consider that someone we know and love is capable of such a tragic act. How do you hold someone accountable for that? If there are deliberate actions that take place in spite of repeated signs of potential harm, well, that's another thing. For him to be asleep when this is all going on...well, that's kinda weird.
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