My county is a non spanker but the one next door permits. It permits any one to do it as well, aides, lunch ladies, principals, teachers, bus drivers.

As a teacher I have never, nor will I ever use it. Frankly in this letigious society I do not think there is any amount of teaching insurance that can protect teachers adequately and I will leave the parenting to the parents.


I respect everyone's views on this subject. I think it is very interesting how not just different countries but even different areas within a nation have passed very different laws governing corporal punishment. It is one of those topics that their is clearly no true consensus.

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I am a teacher as well, and feel that if the student knows they can be spanked in school if being ugly then they are less likely to act out. The kids coming to school with the "note" and know what it says are usually the ones that are so disruptive in the class that there is no time to teach everyone else. It is allowed in my school and my state, but it is not something I use, but have found that if they think you will then they stop acting ugly.

PF, you're not alone. I think the "progressive" view of your community is about the same here. And we wonder what's happening in this world.

definatly outlawed in Tasmania. I grew up when it was allowed and got the occassional taste of the cane.

It was a good deterrent and i think that for exceptional cases it should be permitted under strict guidelines.

When I was Chairperson of the High School council, discipline policy was always under review. There was a very cpmprehensive policy that included exclusion from class (under supervision 1 - 1 with a teacher) internal detention and suspension. In rare cases expulsion.

PF, can YOU find the USA on a blank world map??


It's BLANK, duh! The USA ain't there, nothing is!


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2 years as a substitute, 6.5 years as a classroom teacher. I was transferred from a decent school to a school in which High School students had the vocabulary and reading ability of elementary school kids (I had to explain the meaning of the word "grasp" and about 20 other basic words each time I gave a reading assignment) I walked away at Christmas from a career I had decided on and focused all my eforts to achieve since I was 14, so I gave 18 years of my life to getting to that point. Now some made for TV movie would tell you that I threw out the curriculum and taught all those students to read, and they won a National Reading competition and we would all swoon at the heart-warming joy. But the fact is, if you don't learn to read by HS it's a.) because you made a concerted effort not to b.) HS teachers are not trained to teach "reading" it's a very specific instructional area that is taught, not surprisingly at early elementary.

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Sharniqua,

I understand your point, and as a child who grew up on ADC/Welfare, I know that my Mom would never have been able to pay tuition, but I also recognized school was an opportunity for me. We would not need to expel many students, because kids learn very quickly when you're serious, and have real consequences. The problem is there is no consequence for misbehavior and the lack of them leads to students who would behave, seeing "everyone else" getting away with it" so why should they behave? Again, the single greatest fallacy we have created is the idea of child autonomy from the earliest ages. Children need structure, they need boundaries and they will test them, unfortunately we will not in any way enforce those boundaries. Also, about the smacking, it won't do any good. I got smacked around by my "peers" for being poor and small, and it never made me respect them or change my behavior, why would it work for schools?

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If you have brought your kids up with the correct values,they will
know how to behave in school!My favorite Aunt(now deceased)
was a HS teacher,so I know a little about it.I beleive in leaving parenting to the parents.There are good&bad teachers,and I don't want them to give THEIR idea of behavior to my kids or
grandkids.As said,making parents pay,monetarily,is just reinforcing,the idea,of NOT being responsible,for your own actions!My kids were always tought what was right&wrong,and to help kids who were being picked on!As far as I'm concerned,
too many,people don't GET involved.I had a teacher,in High School,that singled a kid out,and picked on him,because he was
homosexual.While I'm strictly hetrosexual,it wasn't right! Irish
P.S.I, also,think that lowering passing grades,so that kids can
pass,is totally rediculous!

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It's all fine and dandy to bring up your kids with the right values, but then they get into school with all the kids who weren't brought up with those values. Don't worry about the teacher's ideas of behavior, peers are far more influential.
My wife is also a "recovering teacher " (her term) as are about 10 of our friends (pause to think about that for a minute, 10 people in my circle between the ages of 25-35 went to all the trouble of becoming teachers, only to walk away from the thing they wanted most, what hope does that give you for the future?) anyway, she and I were discussing how every parent when confronted with undeniable evidence of their child's misbehavior always attributed it to "falling in with a bad crowd" How nice that it was never their child's responsibility, and as a result certainly not a reflection on parneting.

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Crichton---Perhaps,my kids were raised with a different set of values.I understand what you are saying,but I have been riding&
in the motorcycle lifestyle,for over 43 years.My kids grew up,
around people that society said were not nice people.BULLSHIT.
While I admit that they were affected,somewhat,by peer pressure,they also knew that they had parents,that wouldn't
stand up for them,just because they were their kids.My kids had
the same outlook on life that my father gave to me.He said:"Just
don't lie to me.If you did something,you did it.I'll back you 100%,
as long as you're telling me the truth!I just don't want to back
you,and then find out that you lied to me.I'll really be an asshole
then."By the way,my father was an ex Conn. State Cop&an aux.
town cop! Irish

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Oh, I agree whole-heartedly that kids can make the right choices based on strong parenting, and even more importantly based on a strong internal sense of right and wrong, the problem is that parents don't establish those strong values and then when the kids get to school they are not given any consequences for misbehavior either. We just found it amusing that no parent ever identified their chid as being the cause of their own misbehavior. When you or I misbehaved as children we were held accountable and punished (not beaten), once at school once at home, now not only is there no consequence at home, a parent will deflect blame on to anyone else (but the child or themself) this teaches kids to act in all the worst ways as long as it gratifies them, and these are the kids your well parented kids must co-exist and later compete with. Your kid takes the test and gets a B through effort, their kid cheats, gets caught but because of our weak system, gets a do over and gets a B. Some justice. And belief in the argument that cheaters never win ignores our recent political history.

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An interesting side note, bringing this back to a more "sex talk" conversation, recently a HS counselor posed nude for an adult magazine, and the whole community was upseet and thought she should lose her job (she quit to avoid the hassle) and the main reason given by parents and administrators was that the "children" would inevitably see the magazine and so she should be punished. Last time I checked posing nude was legal, minors getting access to porn was illegal for a. the minor b. the adult providing them with it, so who should be punished?

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I remember,that case,from the news!I am constantly,telling
my daughters,that they don't understand little boys!I just
watched"8 Mile" on PPV.Whenever,I get a PPV,I also videotape
it.I know that my oldest grandson(11)had said that he wanted
to see it.He likes M&M.She thought that he was too young to see it.It's her kid.Women don't understand little boys.By the time,that
my mother(religous Catholic)told me about the birds&bees,I had
already had sex.I'm 59 now,things are completely different! Irish
P.S.My daughters have 3 sons&1daughter.

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