Ok, I was recently in columbus ohio helping kaelynn move onto the OSU campus. Now OSU is a smoker's hell, it's not allowed ANYWHERE!!! Well not anywhere indoors anyway.

Now I know this is too partially make smoking so uncomfortable to get people to quit or never start. Trust me, anyone smoking a cigarette in the middle of a downpour on a cold columbus night is gonna be pretty frickin uncomfortable!!!

However being in a no smoking area forces smokers to chain smoke to make up for lack of opportunity to smoke whenever. The fucked up thing is that now I'm back home and I'm still chain smoking.

It's easy to filter out the harmful elements of second hand smoke. The smell is a helluva lot harder to get rid of but not the smoke! True, it's not fair to torture non smokers trying to enjoy a family meal who happen to be sitting next to the smoking section. Just as it's not fair to torture smokers who refuse to quit just because business owners aren't willing to fork over the money for the air purifier and non-smokers don't want to smell the odor.

whatcha tink?

I've always been on the other side of this, so I don't see it in quite the same way. I don't know if I'll get my ass kicked for this but.... I've always felt that people choose to smoke. This is as conscious a decision as my decision to not smoke. And my decision doesn't harm your health. However, yours harms mine, and thus I should not be subjected to the consequences of someone else's choice.

As for the air purifier... the second-hand smoke is still harmful, unless the purifier is attached to the end of your cigarrette.

Sorry.

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slightly more powerful exhaust/circulation fans vented through a purifier would result in low enough carconigen levels in the air that it would not be harmful.

Cheaper for venues to just ban it

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It sucks hun... But you should quit... And stop chain smoking you dork!

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IF this is true, (and Im sure it isnt) would you be willing to pay the higher prices it would take for the business to install these extra filters>?

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And related to ^^^ as a non-smoker, why should I pay higher prices to visit such an establishment so you can keep up your habit?

I agree with fallenangel, at least initially smokers made the decision to smoke - I understand the nasty impacts of addiction and how difficult quitting can be. But I've also run into too many people that have told me while they understand they are killing themselves one puff at a time, they won't likely quit until the dr tells them they must go on oxygen - I realize this isn't all smokers, but at least some feel this way.

I'm a non smoker now for three weeks today!!

It's hard thats for sure. My hubby still smokes and I bitch now all the time about the smell and the smoke in the house. He tries to keep it away from me but gets lazy about it. I am on his butt now to quit because he just found out he might have blockage in his heart. I hope he will take charge of his health. I smoked for 23 years and quitting has been a challenge but very doable. You just have to have the right motivation.

I will say when I did smoke I got used to not doing it in places that banned it. You can go several hours without having to have one. That won't kill you at all.

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There is a massive anti-smoking campaign going on in Britain at the moment which highlights the dangers of passive smoking.

It's not just cancer that passive smokers need to worry about: apparently passive smoking reduces the oxygen levels of blood around the heart which lead to heart disease (the biggest killer in the UK at present) so it's not just a case of carcinogen levels in the air.

My general stance on smoking is that it's a bizarre and quite revolting habit and I've noticed that smokers are generally less environmentally and socially conscious people. For example, I'm sure the majority of people here would not dream of dropping a coke can in the street, but how many smokers will happily drop a cigarette stubb on the pavement? It seems to be completely acceptible behaviour. I've even seen my house guests and neighbours drop cigarette butts on my door step or into my flower beds in full view of me, as though it doesn't count as littering!!!!! And then they wonder why I think smokers are disgusting!

Anti-social behaviour like that does nothing to help improve my view of smokers. Smokers want respect and consideration? Then it's about time they tried to show some REAL consideration to others! Smoking outside and then tossing your butt into the street is not my definition of consideration.

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Thank you Loulabelle, for touching upon that point the way you did. People driving down the road flicking their butts out the window piss me off royally!

Now before Lixy drives up here to beat me to death with a liberal dose of righteous indignation...remember this:

That's an example of an inconsiderate asshole smoker. Being a smoker is not what makes them an inconsiderate asshole. The cigarette butt is but a tool in their hands. That's an asshole doing something inconsiderate. To apply that behaviour to all smokers is akin to saying that all soda drinkers toss their cans out the car window. Aqua drinks Mountain Dew, right? He's the last person in the world I'd expect to see whipping empties out the window of his Scooby Doo. There are inconsiderate people doing disrespectful and discourteous things to others all day every day...smoking and non-smoking. What I was getting at (obviously not well, or you would've gotten my point) was that I'm respectful of those around me, and I expect that same courtesy. Be it from a smoker who's blowing smoke at my table, frat boys bragging about their sexual conquests within earshot of my children, stupid parents who do nothing while their bratty kids running amok, or the CEO yelling into his cell phone.

Like I said in my original post...if there was a way we could all coexist, I'm there. If I walk into a restaurant that has a smoking area, I'll request they seat us away from it. If I have to walk past a smoking table, I don't wrinkle my nose in disgust from the smell. I'm a grown man, for crying out loud! I follow the waiter/tress to my table and sit down & eat. If I'm right next to a smoking area, I ask to be moved. It's my right. Notice how I'm saying "I ask to be moved." not "I ask they be moved.". That's not my right.

I'm sorry you took offense to my statements, Lixy. I indicated it was a matter of being courteous. If you are...then I'm not talking to you.

In my saner moments...when I don't feel like I have to be on the defensive for all I know who are smokers and like me...I know that! I do know that about you babe!

To all reading all my posts here...this is a REALLY REALLY touchy subject that I hate even having to try and defend! I sat here yesterday trying to put myself in the quitter/non-smoker's shoes. I tried to think from your side of the fence. I get it...I swear I do...SMOKING IS DISGUSTING AND YOU ALL HATE IT! Ever try to put yourself in my shoes? Ever wonder why such a strong person like Lixy (I'm hoping you all might think I have some inner strength) won't quit?

I won't go into that banter again...I'll just reiterate that we (smoker's) have been dumped on from every angle and it's really starting to piss us off. If you push someone long enough to bend to your will and they are resistant but give till the fairness runs out...are we sure there won't be some kind of revolt?

The cigarette comapanies have admitted to making us all the more addicted with additives. Can't some of you brainiacks (word?...and someone check that spelling before I admit into the Lixtionary...lol!) figure out a way to undo what the cig companies have done to us???? My friends daughter is a biochemist and I've begged her for a cure! She giggles at me because she understands the addiction even though she doesn't smoke. She knows what the cigarette comapanies have done. She chides me and says shes working on it. Gotta love her! Who knows...she is smarter than smart itself and she might be serious...but who can tell fore when she talks I just look at her like a deer in the headlights trying to follow her conversations on chemicals and their interaction with the body when introduced by outside blah, blah, blah and such...lmfao!

Yes Loulabelle...I blame the cigarette companies! If the warning labels back when I started smoking had said, "We want you to smoke and you'll love it for a while but soon you'll be addicted and it'll be the worst addiction you'll ever have in your life...this is our promise because we are fucking with the additives to make sure we will keep that promise to you"...I'd have never started! That's why I never tried heroin. I saw the warnings and the awful addiction in my brother and I never dabbled, even once, cause I KNEW I would get addicted to it and end up like him. Cigarettes grab you slower...and nearly never let you go! Why would I chose this if I knew? It's not a disgusting habit. Yes, it's disgusting...but it's an addiction...NOT A HABIT! Biting my nails was a habit!

Oh Gawd...this is exhausting and I need a cig!

Lixy OUT!

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Geezzzzzz......I've NEVER been that slovenly! First off...I NEVER discard anything that isn't biodegradable! Sure, I'll toss an apple core into the woods as I drive down the street or something of that nature. But I never toss anything that I know won't biodegrade!

I don't know who your friends are but ewwwwwwwww! I've never met anyone like those you say would put a cig butt in your flower bed! I've had humongous parties here and on clean-up had to pick up maybe 5 cig. butts...total! I'm betting those were the friends that ended up passing out on the lawn...lol! But then, my friends know me and know that I am environmentally friendly...and seek out the recycling bins and ashtrays when they visit...cause I provide them for them!!!!

I will never advocate disposing of a cigarette butt! Matter of fact, where I work there is a private club across the street and they use our parking lot after hours for their overflow parking. Every morning, like clockwork, I go around picking up the butts on the ground from the patronage the night before. If I left them there, no one else would ever pick them up but just complain when our smoking privledges are taken away. I know it's from the patrons of the club and not our employees because "I AM THE KEEPER OF THE BUTT CAN"! If I spy an inflection in keeping the grounds where we break clean...I'll call them on it. Once, a new guy at the job came back from break after I had gone in. Someone came and told me he put a lit butt in the butt can. LMAO at the tattletale, I knew it would have to be my responsibility to set the newbie straight. I went to his work area, introduced myself, shook his hand and asked him to please follow me. I explained as we walked that if he put lit butts in the butt can provided that it would catch fire and our smoking privledges would be under scrutiny. We walked to the sink, got a pitcher of water, and started to the door. I told him it was either this or he'd have to piss in the tiny hole to which he put his butt in. He laughed, appologized and put the lit cig. out!

If I am arriving at a store, of which I can still smoke outside as I near the establishment as far as I know, I check to see if they have a place to put out cigs. Most do but some don't and I'll never understand that! We don't smoke in the store...duh! Don't they think that of everyone who comes to their store there just might be a few smokers who will outen (<---Pa. Dutch slang) their butts in front of the store? Provide a place to dispose of the butts for crying out loud!

If smoking is banned inside establishments...or even in homes and private clubs, etc....but we still have the right to smoke outside...how's about giving us a place to outen our butts?

Or...would you all just prefer that we move to our own island?


Geezzzzzzz...I hate being stereotyped!

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Here's the above post as seen through 'Aqua Vision'...

Geezzzzzz......I've NEVER been that slovenly! First off...I NEVER discard anything that isn't biodegradable! Sure, I'll toss an apple core into the woods as I drive down the street or something of that nature. But I never toss anything that I know won't biodegrade!

I don't know who your friends are but ewwwwwwwww! I've never met anyone like those you say would put a cig butt in your flower bed! I've had humongous parties here and on clean-up had to pick up maybe 5 cig. butts...total! I'm betting those were the friends that ended up passing out on the lawn...lol! But then, my friends know me and know that I am environmentally friendly...and seek out the recycling bins and ashtrays when they visit...cause I provide them for them!!!!

I will never advocate disposing of a cigarette butt! Matter of fact, where I work there is a private club across the street and they use our parking lot after hours for their overflow parking. Every morning, like clockwork, I go around picking up the butts on the ground from the patronage the night before. If I left them there, no one else would ever pick them up but just complain when our smoking privledges are taken away. I know it's from the patrons of the club and not our employees because "I AM THE KEEPER OF THE BUTT CAN"! If I spy an inflection in keeping the grounds where we break clean...I'll call them on it. Once, a new guy at the job came back from break after I had gone in. Someone came and told me he put a lit butt in the butt can. LMAO at the tattletale, I knew it would have to be my responsibility to set the newbie straight. I went to his work area, introduced myself, shook his hand and asked him to please follow me. I explained as we walked that if he put lit butts in the butt can provided that it would catch fire and our smoking privledges would be under scrutiny. We walked to the sink, got a pitcher of water, and started to the door. I told him it was either this or he'd have to piss in the tiny hole to which he put his butt in. He laughed, appologized and put the lit cig. out!

If I am arriving at a store, of which I can still smoke outside as I near the establishment as far as I know, I check to see if they have a place to put out cigs. Most do but some don't and I'll never understand that! We don't smoke in the store...duh! Don't they think that of everyone who comes to their store there just might be a few smokers who will outen (<---Pa. Dutch slang) their butts in front of the store? Provide a place to dispose of the butts for crying out loud!

If smoking is banned inside establishments...or even in homes and private clubs, etc....but we still have the right to smoke outside...how's about giving us a place to outen our butts?

Or...would you all just prefer that we move to our own island?


Geezzzzzzz...I hate being stereotyped!

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