
08-30-2005, 03:16 PM
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is not this trim anymore!
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Watch out Lilith!!!!!
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We were born involved in one another.
For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.
Complete surrender should not just come at moments in which one faces overwhelming odds, but in the calm when it seems one is personally in complete control of one's life.
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08-30-2005, 03:35 PM
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Manwhore
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You know, I sometimes wonder at the power we allow these words to have. Darn is ok, damn is not. Freakin' is ok, Fuckin' is not. How did these words become so powerful and taboo?
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08-30-2005, 03:41 PM
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is not this trim anymore!
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Fuck if I know. 
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Though I am different from you,
We were born involved in one another.
For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.
Complete surrender should not just come at moments in which one faces overwhelming odds, but in the calm when it seems one is personally in complete control of one's life.
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08-30-2005, 03:53 PM
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pixie of the wood
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i think i kinda like it. but after they fill the quota, they should have to write essays on word origination, connotaion, manners..whatever, something acedemic at least. not a "talking to" by the teacher.
bigbad and i were just talking about this the other night. if my daughter said oh fuck when she dropped something, stubbed her toe, whatever, i wouldn't get mad~~i can't cause i do it all the time. but if she told me to fuck off cause she was mad she'd get about 20 min in the thinking chair. it's not the word, it's the intent
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08-30-2005, 05:22 PM
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once, and it would never happen again, I assure you
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08-30-2005, 05:56 PM
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Made in England
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Oh brother and sister too.....
I can only imagine the first day of school.
I'll tell ya...no kid of mine would get away with it. I swear and I swore as a kid too but not at adults and certainly never at a teacher. No wonder kids think the can do anything they want to......seems at that school they have been given license to disrespect and the acceptance of it too.
I can just imagine the teacher keeping track of the cussing....
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08-30-2005, 06:13 PM
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Everybody Stretch!
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I think it allows the student to disrespect the teacher on their own inmature level and get nothing from the "lesson" it's trying to teach...which might be "sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me"...unless you use them 5x's or more in a day in my classroom.
However...I DO NOT agree with Ms. Widdecombe! This (to me) is the TYPICAL response from the collective Conservative members around the world! IMHO...you cannot "improve something by discouraging it"!!! The more you tell a child NO...the more they want to do "it" (whatever "it" may be). But...we are the adults and can figure a better way without driving our morals down their throats. They'll rebel against that too...DUH!
We tend to inflict our personal morals (which, in most cases are influenced by our parents, and their parents, and so on and so on), and quite possibly antiquated due to changing times and circumstance, to the children...in a blanket lesson. Instead...I feel...it would behoove us as the mature, responsible lot...to take each situtation as individual!
I agree with Aqua...they are only words! But words can hurt deeply...in context, as wyndhy and BigBad suggested. And...there is such a thing as respect for your elders. They've earned it (well...most have) and telling them to "fuck off" or "fuck you" or "get fucked" when the kids get the notion and haven't out-limited themselves for the day...to me is totally disrespectful. I use these statements to show how pissed off I am and to purposely show I am NOT respectful of the person it is aimed at.
If I use "fuck" as a filler...ie: I couldn't get the fuckin thing open"...it's purely for effect and lack of a better word...and in essence, LAZINESS!. Seems to me the teachers in this school don't mind if the lack of the grasp of the English language and the laziness in terms of finding a more appropriate and respectful word...is lazy PERSONIFIED on their part! They've thrown their hands up and have quit trying to educate. Instead, they have said that these kids (the difficult ones) have won...and if they have any disrespectful followers...they are safe in the future to disrespect us too!
An example of my "practicing what I preach"? It's a no-thinker to me to curtail my language around my in-laws, bosses, in a crowded store or theatre...etc. (you get the gist)...but at a party, in my own home, in a friends home who let's her freak flag fly more than me...I use the "F" word more than a drunken sailor on shore leave at a tattoo parlor getting a battleship inked on my chest!
Again...just my 2 pennies!
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08-30-2005, 10:13 PM
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Missing the Angels
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The thing my daughter has gotten from her new friends here is the word Bucking and shortened to Buck. I also observed her friends and her making gestures with their hands which was not flipping off..but the way they were moving their hands sugested they were flipping someone off. Told her I won't put up with her saying and acting like the other kids. God I wish she was 4 again!
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