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Old 07-21-2004, 03:15 PM
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Oh Shit!!!!!! No parallel universe?????

How am I supposed to keep this shit straight if the genius keeps changing his mind ????????

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Old 07-21-2004, 03:22 PM
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Damn... Well Lilith... there's goes your chance of a 3-way with me and my alternate universe twin... Damn Geniuses...
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:19 PM
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Lilith,

Well, it helps to nudge Relativity Theory and Quantum Mechanics towards each other. New data from the Super-Kamiokande detector in Japan confirm that neutrinos change as they travel. This requires that they have some mass, and that is contrary to the Standard Model of Quantum Mechanics.
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:27 PM
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Well I could never buy that neutrinos could pass through me and be unaffected so it meshes with my personal Quantum theory.
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Lilith,

Well, it helps to nudge Relativity Theory and Quantum Mechanics towards each other. New data from the Super-Kamiokande detector in Japan confirm that neutrinos change as they travel. This requires that they have some mass, and that is contrary to the Standard Model of Quantum Mechanics.

Wasn't the neutrino mass confirmed with 87 or 88 B supernova (going from memory) in that same flooded lead mine?

How does this support unified theory?
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I'm putting my support behind Hawking's. Black holes are not a one way path. Mass does get released, just very disfigured.

For example, I pay Tax to that black hole called Ottawa. Occasionally I see something escaping from its gravitational pull, but it is so disfigured and contorted that it is only a small amount of what I sent.
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PantyFanatic,

I think the first data supporting the theory that neutrinos had mass were reported in 1998 by physicists at the Super-Kamiokande detector in Japan, and subsequently confirmed at the Sudbury Neutrino Observatory in Canada, published in 2001. The most recent reports from Super-K are a refinement of the original work with some new data.

The Standard Model predicts that neutrinos have no mass and cannot change type. This led to the “solar neutrino problem”, when only about 30% of the predicted neutrinos were detected. The “type shifting” of neutrinos was first proposed to account for the delta between the theoretical and recorded counts.

I believe that there is no accepted Unified Theory yet. String Theory and Loop Quantum Gravity have yet to produce any theoretical predictions which can be tested.

Professor Hawking’s latest efforts seem to have been influenced by developments in Information Theory and the Generalized Second Law as described by Jacob Bekenstein. I will have to wait for a non-mathematical assessment of Professor Hawking’s Dublin paper.
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hmmmmmmm, I always thought Scott Bakula was sexy.. :dizzy:
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Wink You just wanted to see me try to look it up.

jseal-

Exciting science it is indeed!!


Sorry my mundane attention has been focused elsewhere.

I found a number of references to SN87A & SN88B that I either do not have the software to open or document services that I do not subscribe to. I only vaguely recall the prediction of the neutrino subatomic particle being confirmed by the three experimental detectors at that time. Particle physics is far from my vocation and I was unaware of the Type Shifting concept. Last year was my only opportunity to attend a Hawking lecture, where his focus was relative to String and Brane considerations. My laymen’s perceptions are better able to accept his latest considerations. I wrestle at the gates of these fields.

I understand “Standard Model of Quantum Mechanics” to only be in a state of flux (no pun intended) and read the “nudge” as movement to TOE. It seems quantum will take many forms before we see a tunnel.

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Old 07-23-2004, 08:29 AM
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Just thinking. .

I wondered how we could detect things without mass. A massless particle

would not have any effect on anything it struck, and would be invisible and

indetectable. Even light has sufficient mass to be able to impinge on detectors

such as photo-electric cells and retinas.

Hawking has never (that I am aware of) been able to tell us what happens to

matter as it passes the event horizon, whether it just turns to energy and

distorts space, or whether it is gradually turned into hadron soup.

Just because the escape velocity at the event horizon exceeds the average

speed of light does not mean that matter falling through the event horizon

exceeds the speed of light.

If the gravity well within the "black hole" is asymmetric, conditions may change

enough to allow the event horizon to recede below the matter, re-instating it

within normal space.

Hawking's eminence has stifled argument for years, maybe some will come out

now.

Shit, did I say that?

Enough of these physicks and sorcery.

Lil, can I come back as a neutrino and go through you sometime?
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Nay, fair lady.

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