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Originally Posted by Lilith
wasn't that a Van Halen album ?  :dizzy: |
yep… stole it, twisted it, and made it mine…er… i made it aqua’s
and lixy…. a few points
first. i don’t think there’s any way that they can introduce a set of strict “guidelines” because, frankly imo, they’re right: vulgar or indecent is something that they will know when they see or hear it, or anyone else will interpret in their own way. it must be kept changeable because languages and popular opinion are always changing. there are words decent or even non-existent today that will not be so tomorrow. t’s the nature of the beast. there are also times when the content is the issue and not the words, as fzzy pionted out before. to define the word cunt is much different than calling someone a cunt. but this, i think, is something i need not explain further. you can all understand what i mean.
and as for the control i spoke of … are you saying that there will never be a time that i am at the beach or stuck in traffic on a 100 degree day with no a/c and someone close by is blaring something offensive or vulgar from their radio speakers? c’mon…that’s impossible. that’s what i meant by beyond my control. (perhaps it is not howard, etc….whoever, who should be fined but the people too stupid, ignorant or obnoxious to keep it on the qt.
:grin: ) anyway, back to being serious...i think that's the reason govn’t feels it incumbent upon them to police the radio waves,
over which they have licensing control, for “immoral” content.
and i really don’t like making this about howard (incidentally i am an oddity i guess because i don’t love him and i don’t hate him) but nevertheless, here goes…his content may not have changed but his reach and influence have. popular opinion has changed as well. hence, the sudden crackdown. they are not arbitrarily shutting down anything. he could stay where he is and play by their rules or he can find another way. he has chosen to find another way. which, btw, i want to point out that if anyone wants to get satellite radio just so they can listen to howard be prepared to pay an extra two dollars cause he ain’t part of their package deal. he does it for the money, as do they all, not some sort of crusade against “the man”. his motives are not selflessand i don’t have a problrm with that. i do have a problem with him/others like him making themselves into martyrs for “the cause” when all they want is to get rich
would i be upset if someone took away my outlet to discuss sex in a private forum? sure would! but signing up as a member of a forum clearly labeled as “sex site” is much different then if i were to suddenly begin a vulgar discussion of said sex site at the playground, mickeyD's or on the abc channel (again these are things/places under local, private and federal control). and if it did happen? so be it. freedom of speech does not give me the right to belong to a forum such as this. i don’t think that will ever happen, though. they are not trying to muffle everything “vulgar”, only the venues that are, and have always been,
under the licensing jurisdiction of the federal govn’t (sorry but i can’t stress that enough). if i wanted to become a part of something that is under the control or jurisdiction of someone else then i need to be prepared to follow their rules or go elsewhere. it’s just that simple.
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Originally Posted by LixyChick
“And yes, it's been tilted and twisted and tweeked through the years to ammend and update it...but freedom of speech has always meant what it was spelled out to mean!”
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i respectfully disagree. it does not mean today what it was intended to mean 200+years ago. it has been twisted and tweaked, yes, but not buy the govn’t…it has been twisted by people who want to say anything they can just for its’ shock value and then hide behind their “right to free speech”. contrary to your belief, i
can separate the two because i believe in the freedom of speech as our founding fathers intended. i do not believe it gives anyone the right to say anything they want to anyone within earshot. and i was not refferring to howard only in that post. i am just plain sick and tired of hearing about how so-and-so said/did such-and-such on the radio, broadcast tv, the entrance to the mall, whatever, got themselves in dutch, and then whined “but it’s my right to say/do ‘______’, the constitution guarantees it”. THAT is just plain bullshit and that was my point earlier… they should not hide behind their “rights” because everyone else has those same rights. why are one person’s rights more important than another person’s?
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Originally Posted by LixyChick
“You cannot tell me that it doesn't scare you that a Federal agency of non-elected officials (yeah...I know...our elected officials appointed them to their jobs...but I say those elected were not elected by everyone!) has the authority to fine an individual $500,000.00 per incident for an "indecent" remark that on another day before was not deemed indecent …”
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you're right, they were not elected by everyone, they were elected by the majority, and no their fines do not scare me. as i said, these venues are within the licensing powers of the govnt’ and it is the govn’t’s right and obligation to police them as they see fit. if they started throwing people in jail or…
… executing them THEN i’d be scared. and i’m not saying i agree with some, most or all of what they have deemed vulgar. but that is another discussion and not what my earlier post was about at all. i, too, have issues with the government involving themselves in/forcing their way into my personal life. but…they are
not shutting him or anyone down…they are forcing them to find a place to air their shows where the govn’t does not have control. i ask you…where is the harm in that? i would feel the same way… “this is
my house and you will obey
my rules or be punished and if you can not obey my rules you will go elsewhere”