Progress Spoils Our Fun
 

We live in a fast technological changing world today and that always has some trade offs. Today Lilith came to mind and I began to recall some of the fun things I use to be able to do that just can't happen today. :tear:

Electronic communication has changed and improved things so very much in the last few decades but at a price. When one of the most expedient and personal methods of communicating was with a telegram, I loved sending one to special people saying "Please Disregard First Telegram" :tongue:

With online shopping we've now almost come full circle with not purchasing from actual local brick & mortar stores. There was a time when you could pick up the big Sears & Roebuck catalog and order just about anything. One of my favorite things was to go to the farm section where you could buy just about any domesticated animal from pigs and chickens to cows and ponies.:cboy: I could fill out the order form, get a money order and have a two pounds (approx: 1,500) box of BEES delivered by parcel-post to that special friend. :D

So what fun things have you had to trade off with the advancement of technology? :confused:

Amen :banghead:

PF ... you mean things like flying on airplanes without getting frisked, fondled, and x-rayed while carrying finger nail clippers in your pocket? :(

Or, using a pay phone no longer found on streets or in most shops to call someone?

Oh well. :shrug:

One nasty thing that we haven't had to trade off is that if you send a fax to a special someone's phone, it can be set for a particular time, repeating every 15 minutes until success. One of these to the cell as well adds to the shared joy. Friday night often means the fax won't be reset before Monday.

What technology has take away has largely been replaced with new fun.

BTW, you didn't hear this from me.

The authenticity of photographs.

Tush pish jseal.

The camera NEVER lies.

The authenticity of photographs, other than ones you took yourself, was always suspect, JSeal...as long as there have been photos, there have been people retouching them in various ways. Colorizing them with paints, dodging and burning in for better contrast, double-exposures, airbrushing.

I'm with OF on this one...we do all the things we always did, just in slightly different ways. I would yearn for a real letter, but no one sent them that often even before e-mail. The ancient Greeks perved looking at urns. We have Pixies. Plus ça change...

I haven't really lost anything, just what I'm used to has gotten faster and a little easier.




AZ, I'd have to find a decent fountain pen to send a real letter. Unfortunately, those are few and far between in stores these days.

hmmmfttt ......Not all photos are retouched either! I only touch what i have to, and with the new camera it really isnt that much at all if anything. Sometimes i might make it a B&W or sepia tone, but rarely is it a major overhaul. If it requires that much work generally the pic is shit and i'd rather reshoot!

Even back in the ages a photo could still be manipulated, yes now days its far easier, but its not a new thing.

I like the modern world for the most part, afterall without technology there would be no internet, without tht no Pixies.

I'm happy with my lot *L*

Yeah, but I still can't send Lilith 2 pounds of bees with just an order form and money order. :banghead:

So it doesn't really ruin your fun so much as your evil. Poor, poor PF. :console:

I thought being evil was fun. Have I been wrong all these years?

I can't say. It was never a requirement for me, though.

But you can now go on-line, and order her up a clown.

Please,
Do not Fold, spindle or mutilate.

Handwriting is an art dying by email.

The manipulation of pictures with digital tools is orders of magnitude easier than when they were analog.

Which is what i said jseal lmao


that wasnt the point though....photos have always had the ability to be changed. I cant see where technolongy has changed that fact

Cut and paste had a literal beginning.

I don't recall there ever being an analog version of Photoshop, or like products. Have you? If not, then yes, digital technology has indeed changed that fact.

I'm going to break in and say Fang is saying through what would now be considered more archaic means we've been able to change/manipulate photos, while jseal is arguing on HOW they're able to be changed. Through technology more people are able to manipulate their own photos rather than having to rely on professionals.

LS - Thats not what jseal stated at all



The above is what he said, and the authenticity of photos is NOT to be blamed fully on technology. This is something that has ALWAYS been around'

jseal - you are being deliberately dunce obviously. Maybe go back and actually read what i wrote in my posts.

Correct

Incorrect

Photoshop or darkroom, the only difference is the price of the equipment. Anyone who wanted to could learn how to work in a darkroom. It just takes time and money.

No i was correct you never stated in your original comment ANYTHING about the means to change photos, or anything about professionals

Again



ALWAYS been an issue, not something new


Dunce, and still you havent read my posts obviously *L*

Technology has made it easier to do

But as for authenticity, with referral to your post, not something new so dont blame technology

I dont have a wizzbang program, so photoshop isnt a requirement, i could manipulate a photo in paint *LOL* Paint just requires more effort.

Photos were printed in blow-up, things cut out from other photos pasted (and waxed and drawn) onto it, and re-photographed.

There is a famous photo of Lee Harvey Oswald where the shadows are confused.

Quite so. It is very, very difficult to manipulate an analog photograph without telltale evedence.

So much more so that the authenticity of photographs is a thing of tthe past.

Correct

How much money? What is the cost of the digital Photoshop? What is the cost of an analog photo shop? $200 vs. $2,000? An order of magnitude.

Only professionals had the talent, expertise and time to do then what we all now can.

The authenticity of photographs was a casualty of the digital age.

In other words, you can now do for free what would have taken a trained professional using $$$$ of equipment to do in the past

The authenticity of photographs is a victim of the digital age.

Same goes for digital photos, being manipulated leaves traces.

And i bet the analogue photos were believed by the majority with just the professionals knowing the difference, same as with digital

Incorrect....which you dont seem to understand *LOL*

So you are telling me all my photos have been manipulated?

There are different forms of photography also, that needs to be taken into account. Some take photos for just themselves, others take them to use as an artform (generally varying degrees of manipulation), others do HDR photography (this is where i wanna head to at some stage), which is 3 photos of the same thing with different values put together to make an enhanced photo.

Photography has advanced no doubt, but there are still those photographers that use film cameras and darkrooms, no photoshop ect

The Authenticity is still there, it has not disappeared. Same as back when, they manipulated or not to the levels they could with what they had, wether they be professionals or not. Today we are no different, we manipulate or not to the levels we can with what we have. And in the future they will do no different.

Just because technology is here doesnt mean photos are less authentic. If you doubt a persons work ask, most have no problems telling you if the photos has been touched.

If i want to get to the level a trained professional is, your an idiot if you think i dont need to pay shitloads for the equipment needed. For normal old joe blow though a cheap and easy program will do, you will definately not get the same level of results though, same as in the past.

You get what you pay for


Frogshit is all i will add to that!!

Is there some level of disagreement here?

Just checking.

I'll say this much...the joys of Photoshop and its ilk have spared the denizens of Pixies from having to see random zits on my ass, so for that I am (and I'm sure you all are) exceedingly grateful. :D

LMAO

You are mistaken. The manipulative capabilities in Photoshop work just as well on a "regular old" desktop or laptop as they do on a high-end machine. They just work more slowly.


The results that may be obtained with Photoshop by Joe are orders of magnitude greater than he would have been able to produce using analog techniques.


In the digital age you need pay nothing, while in the analog age the same capabilities would have cost big $$$.


I'll let that stand by itself.

Here, let’s try a little experiment.

How many pictures did you revise for the 5 years before you were able to manipulate them digitally?
How many pictures did you revise for the 5 years after you were able to manipulate them digitally?

Now multiply the second number by the count of copies of Photoshop sold. That is why I say the authenticity of photographs is a victim of the digital age.

You really are stupid lol

I didnt take many pictures prior to digital age, what i did take i didnt manipulate at all (no darkroom) nor have i to this day. You just dont get it, i dont really manipulate my photos, as stated if i feel it needs that much work i just reshoot.

If i do manipulate a photo to me it is no longer a photo (as in the original) but art, and art is how the artist sees it.

I appreciate the photo/art for what it is and the photographer/artist for what they achieved, wether it be stuff from the dark ages or stuff done now or stuff to come in the future.

I dont own photoshop, nor have any interest in doing so.

The authenticity of photos has in the past and always will be suspect that has never changed, it has nothing to do with technology....

I'm not talking about just the machine *L* Photoshop is not the be all end all of programs available and to get into the high end manipulations you need the best of the best and yes you WILL pay for it. A regular old machine would NOT run even the photo program i have properly *LOL*


Again you dont get it...regadless of magnitude analogue and digital are quite capable of being manipulated, and as such you cannot fully blame technology


Thats called progress, there is much from the past that would have cost me the earth that is now far cheaper in now days. If you use a free program, you get what you pay for, as i have stated previously. You want to do high end work you will require a high end program, and to have that you will pay $$$, no different to in the past.



Good because its relevant *L*