New Picture Posting Q & A
 

This is an area where I hope to be able to adddress your questions and concerns regarding the new policy enacted to comply with recent U.S.law.

So what does the law say????

Exactly what is in the new forum guidelines. The wording was copied from the law.

I have very biased views about this new law and I'm trying to find answers without subjecting you to my personal beliefs so if I'm curt, it's me trying not to :rant:

Lil, from the little bit of research I've done since reading the post(s), I guess what most members (at least, in my opinion) are concerned about is a) what does it mean for past posts here, and b) what about the future of picture posts? From what I read in the forum guidelines, it appears that a good deal of the pictures already here at Pixies are no longer allowed. (Unless I'm totally reading things wrong, and it's entirely possible.)

<---is looking for answers as well.

Yes you are correct that as of now pics (this includes avatars as well) can only be posted that meet the US legal guidelines (which fucking sucks a big one) OOPS! If you read the guidelines carefully you will see that we must remediate problems with any REPORTED posts. I am seeking information as to how old pic posts should be handled to protect both the site and our owners. As for now, I'm not doing anything until I have a clear understanding of what the owners need me to do.

Keeping in mind that the pics are a minor portion of a text based erotica forum, I feel there are still plenty of opportunities for us to share ourselves with eachother in an intimate albeit digital way.

For those interested, these are the code sections, as reported by Cornell University

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/...56----000-.html

and

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/...57----000-.html

breakin the law...
 

Oh sure I just find my way back to posting and I see this:

"- Legally, we can allow soft nudity, but under current United States law, photographs (does not apply to non-photographic images) posted on this site may not contain "sexually explicit conduct", which the government defines as:

- Actual or simulated:
(A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
(B) bestiality;
(C) masturbation;
(D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
(E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person."

Well breaking 3 out of 5 ain't a bad personal accomplishment, with plans on hitting that (A) category soon, as close to bestiality as I get is doing it doggy style. :hump:

Well I'll just keep providing the pics, if I break the law you can handcuff me, spank me, and post pictures of THAT. muahahaha

-Rukh75

Any new post that break the forum guidelines are subject to deletion.

I assure you I have a similar rant playing at warp speed in my head!

If I understood correctly ...

no penises
no vaginas
no real or simlulated sex

okay rear ends
okay side views that don't show genitals
okay breasts/chests
okay artwork (not photos) that we have the right to publish (even if it violates the "no's" above

Does that sound like a fairly close summary???

Does anybody know the schedule for when this government will start the book burning and ‘relocation programs’?




(no appropriate smilies available for puking nausea, total disgust, total shame or genuine fear for a populous.)

LOL...ummmmmm until the first legal challenges we won't know the definitions for sure :p but follow the guidelines as written. My understanding is genitals as part of nudity ok but not in close up masturbatory or "sexually explicit". I read a post in a webmaster forum that said, "don't touch nothin' " :D

LOL. Thanks, Lil!

PF ... What if they promise to relocate you to a panty factory?? :D

DB I think you naked in the park is still legal so long as you are only frolicking with the flowers.

it's only illegal if there are no records kept? did i read that right? (ty for that link IAKG)so obviously on a site(s) that guarantees/allows/understands peoples’ need for anonymity, this is this sticking point? this is why it’s no longer possible to post pictures containing the specified no-no’s?

Well...this is gonna take some creativity, huh?

You've hit on part of the issue. Which civil liberty would you like to have violated today? expression or privacy?

both please :p

oh god.....spank me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you worry your pretty little head...I've got plenty of ideas of how we can still tease and dare I say titilate eachother.:boobs:

if you insist :spank:

thank you ma'am...may i have another??? :D

btw...what is the other part of the issue to which you refer?

record keeping is only a small component of a greater law which has been continually revamped and revised to what we have in effect now.

alright...but how does/do those other components affect the posting of pics? (except for the already illegal stuff [minors, animals, rape corpses, etc])
i'm not baiting you (((hugs))) i know this is shitty and stressful....i am just curious

Oh, keee-rap...am I gonna have to remove ALL my picture posts here? :D

Shucks ... you've always done that, Lil!

I know! I don't feel baited at all. The problem is I am not a lawyer and I'm not real sure all the details that are involved despite having read just about everything on it I could find. The laws were originally constructed as a protection for minors but recently(this administration) were changed which affect a much larger segment and change the burden of proof through a specific record keeping requirement. I have personal views as to what these revisions were designed to do but I am truly trying to spare you all of my biased political views.

Is my pretty little head lacivious? If not...I'm in the clear! :D

And I'm pretty sure that if I ate your titils it's against the rules. Well, posting pictures of it is. :hot:

I'm sorry you're the one left behind to have to hold our hands through the murky haze that comprises the new legislation, but with patience, understanding and respect...I'm sure we can make it work. And those are ultimately the three things that distinguishes Pixies from other sites.

are you saying that bush is a prude?????? :D














ok now THAT was baiting

Holy fuck!!!!I may have to log off to avoid commenting.....I might have to unplug the puter and put it in the garage to keep from commenting :p

:eek: alright then....e-mail me...:blink:

Time to start writing and I don't mean eroyic stories.
This is still America and I will say it
This administration SUCKS

Lilith,

What parts of 18 U.S.C. § 2257 are at issue?

As Pixies doesn’t produce the images in question it isn’t a Primary producer. Sec. 75.1 Definitions, C, (1)

I presume that the concern is about (2), in particular the part I’ve underlined: “A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, digitally- or computer- manipulated image, picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the sexually explicit content of a computer site or service that contains a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.”

Even so, Pixies is not a producer per (4) (ii)

“Producer does not include persons whose activities relating to the visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct are limited to the following:
…
(ii) Mere distribution;”

Pixies, while a commercial site, gets no revenue from the availability of the pictures at the site.

Perhaps I am looking at the statute incorrectly, or perhaps I am looking at the wrong parts of the statute, but I see no requirement for Pixies to maintain the records commercial pornographers must. It is the criminal penalties associated with inadequate or insufficient record keeping which is at issue here, is it not?

Thanks JSeal...I've read that law (there are 3 dif versions/incarnations) and the ones that correspond about 8945743957239857 times now.:spin: The site is doing what is necessary to meet the guidelines imposed. I'm sure most webmasters who are concerned have sought out legal counsel to make sure they meet US federal guidelines.

Lilith,

I thank you for the thanks, but what I was trying to do was to find out was what it is about the recent changes to the law that have brought about the change in policy here at Pixies.

That's not a question I can answer. I don't have a background in federal law. The changes being made here are being made at most US based sites that include images of any kind. Yes we are primarily an erotica site but since primary producers are permitted to post their works here there must be reason to believe that federal rules could impact us or else soooo many sites would not have come to the same legal conclusions. I would suggest a PM to the owners if you feel you have some wisdom that thousands of webmasters and their legal services have overlooked.

Lilith,

I was under the impression that this was a Q & A thread. I asked some questions, I made no suggestions. Please accept my apologies for having posted my questions.

Your question was not the problem, I did not see it in the original post I read...



2257 which is a minute part of a much bigger law does have a record keeping component but I have no idea if that is the issue. I am in no way competent or qualified to comment on matters of law. My knowledge begins at how the new pic guidelines (as deemed necessary) will be handled by myself and the moderators.

If you have questions, beyond my scope, as to the law or why the policy is now in place please forward them to the owners.

Well........I read it, don't understand it so.....I'm just gonna keep posting like I have been until you or the owners tell me I can't. You guys know what pics I post. Good luck figuring it out.

You are welcome to post CGT, you know we love it, but the pics should fall within the new guidelines.

If you have questions if a pic meets the guidelines I'm sure any of the 3 of us who volunteer in that area would be glad to help.