Bush...to declare victory...
 

Just got news that GW will declare victory later this morning.

*weeping* Could someone point me to the edge of the planet? I want to get off!

I sooooooooooooo counted on Ohio for the electoral votes! *sigh*

(((((((((Lixy)))))))))))

TY (((((((Lilith)))))))

*sigh* Gotta go to work with this feeling looming! *sigh*

LixyChick,

It won't last forever, even if, at times, it may seem so.

I admit I'm no political expert, but I just read a news article stating that Kerry isn't willing to concede yet. I didn't think Bush could officially declare a victory before Kerry's concession... or maybe that's just a bunch of polite tradition?

It is just a political tradition for the winner to wait for a concession speech Maddy.

Personally... I am THRILLED... as the resident Republican I now have hope for the future... rather than the dread I had with the prospects of Kerry... Hell.. had Kerry won.. I was gonna call in sick today.... but since he didn't...

off to work for me :)

Hugs to all...

Jenna, your not the only Republican here, so dont feel alone! I am also glad about the result, no matter how much flack I catch about posting that! LOL!

Isn't Australia the edge of the earth or is it New Zealand?

Once again,my motto proves correct---"A quitter never wins & a winner
never quits! Irish
P.S.Winning a battle,does not win the war!

Here we go again! Arggggggggggggg - I am with ya Lixy!

I don't think Kerry should concede. I think that all votes should be counted and until those results are finalized should anyone concede. I think the Bush camp needs to be patient about that rather than urging Kerry to give up seeing how they are so confident that they won.

Currently there are four states still out - not just Ohio and Iowa being one of them. Granted 7 electorial votes vs. 20 is a no brainer, but ALL VOTES SHOULD BE COUNTED!!!!

(Gonna build a bigger soapbox)

It was/is a close race. I only hope that as a nation common ground is found and that issues and policies are developed for the better of all.

I'm glad that it looks like Bush won. Yesterday I wasn't feeling hopeful with so many going out to vote but it looks like the country has spoken their mind and change is not what the majority is wanting at this time.

I also hope we can all come together for the good of the country now and that everyone will support the President.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWW AND HOT DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! am so glad it looks like bush is gettin it!!!! SWEET!!!! im kinda confussed on fox it says bush got ohio but on cnn it still says its not in , so may be i shuddnt be yehawin yet LOL

~nikki

You may YEEEEEEHAWWWWWW All you want! And I am with you!!!!! Kerry refuses to concede even though it is impossible for him to win! *cough* Cry baby *cough*!!!!

I'm a republican, but I couldn't cast my vote for Bush... nor could I cast it for Kerry. I didn't vote for either one of them. I did vote, tho!

i honestly dont consider my self republican or democratic , but if i had to pick it wud be repub, i voted bush cuz no matter what yall say, hes good for me, he is the one who gives my husband his pay increases and helps keep my husband employed, i dont trust kerry and i think hes a backstabber, BUT what politian isnt??? ohwell lesser of two evils for, id rather have the devil i know than the devil i dont!!!

~nikki

you can count me in as well

What worries me is not so much that Bush won the election-I was pretty much looking a Tweedledum and Tweedledee. But that the Republicans have control of the house, the senate, and the white house. And hence, are set to extend their control over the judiciary.
Good-bye, what few civil rights the US public has left to it.



Well, I wouldn't mind helping you do that.

I voted my piece, but I know what you mean. I want to slap my fellow Ohioans upside the head. :D

But then again....we also voted for the constitutional amendment (in OH) to ban gay marriage.....which shows our judgement is faulty. <sigh>

The Constitution should be about *protecting* rights, not taking them away!

amazingly enough, I just got home from my day at 10:30p and have emails from some liberal friends who are still convinced the election isn't over and that it was all a fraud. but on the flip side, i'm pleased with the result and only hope that much productivity is accomplished in the next four years.

You aren't the only Republican here - I'm active duty military and I voted for Bush. Nothing could have made me vote for Kerry - NOTHING.

When GW saw the division in the country and realized the amount of support JK got, he complimented Kerry on his spirited effort and said he hoped the country could come together and get behind his administration. I'm afraid now because, again, I don't think the prez understands what the divided part of this country has said in showing our support for JK. He only sees that he has many supporters and so he thinks that ALL he does is right. The moment he sincerely admits his mistakes and takes measures to rectify them is the moment I get behind the next four years. Till then, be it apathy or something else, I have no faith in GW and I cannot support him in any way, shape or form. When that changes, I'll let ya know!

P.S. That does NOT mean I do not support our troops and wish them well and hope for an end to this nonsensical war!!!! I DO support them and I fear for them as well!

LixyChick,

One good to come out of this election was the distinct increase in voter registration and turnout. Nationally, the number I recall reading was 59.1% of registered voters actually voted. This was, I believe the highest turnout since the late 60s. In my state of Maryland, 72% of registered voters went through the effort to actually vote.

The trick will be to keep these percentages this high in the future.

Since 1968...

Well, well, well ....

I am still officially retired but being a red in a blue state, I must give a little opinion.

I did vote for GW and I do support him. Right after Sept. 11 he indicated he was going to go after terrorists, not wait for them to attack us and everyone cheered. He is only standing by his convictions. I will not make fun of Kerry for flip-flopping because if he won, I would have to support him as well. (Actually, I think that the way presidents are ridiculed in this country is deliterious to the common good. It is the most powerful position in the world and the person who holds it should be held in high regard. And, you DO NOT become president if you are a complete moron).

Anyways, there are two Americas and the people who live in red states are offended by the way the blue states push their values upon them. (News media, celebrities, etc.) Anyone that thinks that Ben Affleck is going to change someone in Alabama's mind about voting was obviously wrong. I have much more to offer but looking at the map, it seems obvious. Northeast (Boston, New York), upper midwest (Illinois, Michigan), and west coast (California, etc.) all went were blue states. The democrats need to find a way to tap into the heartland. Those people feel disenfranchised by liberal America.

Either way, I still had to go to work this morning, so I guess it doesn't matter.

Well, I'm a registered Republican. I voted for Dubya. As a rule, I do not push my views onto others nor do I look down on them. I have heard some very interesting commentary about this election in the last 2 days. Although most of it came from highly conservative talk radio, it really put an interesting spin on the whole political scene.

Even the right wingers have said that they are afraid of the downturn that this could cause the democrats. For months, the mantra that has been chanted (either directly or indirectly) by the Dems isn't "Vote Kerry" nearly as much as it has been "Anyone but Bush". (Hell, I saw 2 bumper stickers just this morning with that slogan on it.) Looking from the outside, that is very difficult to rally around.

The Dems had the numbers to be able to take the White House; however, their key demographics historically do not have great turnout at the polls. How many times did we see celebrities trying to get young voters registered? (Will Michael Moore just disappear now for a while???) The 18-25 voter turnout was yet again a very small percentage. The other 2 areas that are historically big backers of the Democrats are union people (and the % of union workers to non-union workers is the lowest since the industrial revolution) and minorities. Again, not a high percentage of voter turnout in either of those categories. (New rule... if you didn't vote and are upset that Bush won... you get an automatic kick in the nuts)

It will be extremely interesting to see if there is any backlash and infighting within the Democratic party. They took perhaps the largest political hit in US history, unable to gain the White House and are now the minority party in both the house and senate (and Tom Daschle losing his senate seat could have more of an impact on the Democratic party than losing the presidency).

The Dems have 2 years to get themselves back in line and strengthen their party. As I stated before, I'm a registered Republican, but I don't think that a 1 party system has any merit to it. Although flawed, the US government was setup with a series of checks and balances. Although rival political parties wasn't originally part of that framework, it has definitely become that way. I'm a middle of the road kinda guy. Balance is good.

Regroup and come out firing!



and for Hell's sake, don't let Hillary run in '08... LOL

Skyler, that was one of the most rational statements put forth anywhere so far. :)

Thanks, PF. I hope I haven't set the bar too high for myself now.

My only consolation in Tuesday's debacle is that at least this time he was actually elected and not anointed by the Supreme Court.

Okay. I got caught in a little mis-statement. I stated that the Dems were now the minority in both the house and the senate. They were prior to the Tuesday election (51 Rs, 28Ds, 1 indy; however, the Dems lost 4 seats. The point I was making was that the Republicans have 55 seats now. Even if 1 or 2 of the Rs cross party lines on voting of an issue, they will still have a majority.

My apologies for any confusion I may have caused.

A persons record,shows how he really thinks!
When a person campaigns(sp?),he tells you what he wants you to believe
about him,so that you will vote for him.Having lived,both N & S of Mass (Conn
& NH),it was easy to pick the lesser of two evils.Plus bieng a 10% disabled vet
you expect the people whos back you watch,to also watch yours.Many times
your life depends on them! Irish
P.S.I am a registered independant,but no matter what party you're in,that
applies to everyone!

Sugarsprinkles,

While the Democrats did take a serious hit in this election, I don’t see it really as a debacle, they’ll come back. The political process needs it. The American public will demand it. Incumbents are notoriously difficult to unseat, Senator Kerry knew that. Senator Daschle’s defeat was most unusual. The next year will be a time of wound-licking and reflection – and then, inevitably, there will be an opening – there always is.

I too am pleased that President Bush not only won the Electoral College for a second time (which is after all, the vote that counts), but the also the popular vote. This will mute, although I doubt for long, the critics of his policies. They now have received the stamp of popular approval, some three and a half million of them.

Hiya CK! LTNS! *hugs*

I'm taking issue with your comments because I think a lot of folks feel the way you do and I've been dying to say something about it for a while.

The map you refer to that shows "the red states and the blue states" show more red than blue because of the electorate vote. What people fail to remember (or even study) are the numbers in the popular vote. Just because the state is in red or blue doesn't mean that there was a landslide vote for a particular party in that state. In this election, some of the numbers were pretty close. And, let's not forget the votes that were tossed out or not counted due to "sufficient" numbers for the candidate to win that electorate vote! What I think this all boils down to is...if they ask people to come out and vote, and they come out in droves as they did in this election, all votes should be counted and used to decide. I don't care for the electoral system as the final decision. It confuses people and gives them high hope on one side of the coin, or no hope on the other side. I feel like it's a way for the government to patronize us (the voters) and show us the simplified version of a complicated and detailed matter. I think most people I know can handle the big picture without the assistance of a mass vote count.


When I first read this quote from you I thought it said "mormon"...*giggle* Which brings me to another issue...the bible belt. When polled around the country after the election, the most common reply (above and beyond any other concern or issue) to "why" did you vote for Bush was...morality. "I voted for Bush because I stand behind his evangelical principals and I like that he doesn't seperate church and state in the White House"...(one example from a woman I heard interviewed, that stands out in my memory). Not terrorism...Not healthcare...Not the deficit...Not homeland security...etc. God was the answer for the majority of people polled. Of course you all know I am an atheist, but I am NOT off-put by religion or political figures who make known their particular religious affiliate. Some put it forth stronger than others. But, in the face of all that is ahead of us...the fears over the war, the unsettled healthcare issues, the faulty homeland security issues, women's rights, stem cell research, etc...this is the main concern of a large part of our nation? The seperation of church and state is there for a reason and I am saddened that the biggest issue for the majority vote was based on the bible above all other things facing our nation. I have to admit...it scares me to be under the rule of a president that takes the bible so literally. Not to mention...some of the new senators and congress persons!!!

Anyway...there's my thoughts. Nice to see ya still around CK!

Lixy, Mr. Lil and I were discussing the same thing last night. I thought the people who came here on the big boat long long ago came to get away from a government/church situation. * shrugs*

Morals aren't necessarily an exclusively godly thing, although I'm willing to bet that most of the voters indicating moral issues to be the main decider would disagree. I say you and a few select Pixies *cough*me*cough* form the Republic of Lixy :)

We had this same discussion about morality the other day. Interesting, I didn't link it to religion, though I can see how you could. Maybe it's because of my church background and many of the moral issues that surface in the bible, I don't take a literal stand on.

So how do you convince people who are so bible blinded that there are much bigger issues? Or would those people argue that we are in these issues because we don't follow the bible more strictly? Interesting food for thought.

Well, interesting you should say that maddy, because Jerry Falwell was quoted as saying the following in reference to September 11(http://en.wikipedia.org/Jerry_Falwell/):



Falwell later distanced himself from any statement blaming any people other than the terrorists directly responsible, even though Pat Robertson agreed:



I doubt they're alone, though how widely held those opinions are I can't say.

There might soon be a new religious outlook on this.George Soros(sp?) said
that he would spend any amount of money,to keep Bush,from getting re-
elected.He also said that he would enter a monestary,if Bush,got re-elected.
When he enters,maybe we will have a new religious outlook! Irish

Irish,

It may take a while before he gets his affairs in order...