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'Rants' (your prospective on common issues) are exactly what gives us all something to think about. Your IVF thought is something new for me to mull around.

thanks ;)

fred...

It seems to me that G.W.B. doesn't consider that his current topic could intertwine with any other issue that this country is up against. IMHO he's too sheltered and surrounded by Yes men and women. He's fed his words on paper to repeat, instead of his speeches coming from the heart, right off the top of his head. You'll see that look of surprise on his face and I've actually pictured the mice running on the wheel in his head, when a reporter asks him a question that should have a spontaneous answer in correlation to his topic. This is when he stumbles and bumbles the most.

Makes for great "Bushism's" though!

In order for Alito to actually be considered for the Supreme Court, he should have to beat Chyna in a nude jello wrestling contest.

She'd kill him :D Break his neck like a twig. Pop his head like a zit.

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Originally Posted by fredchabotnick

My question is simply, seeing how he has gotten us into two wars, not properly equipped our troops with needed armor, and is more than willing to torture and use capital punishment (I'll leave arguments about Medicare spending and medication for the poor to those who understand it better than I), is this statement completely hypocritical?
Is this just a anti-abortion double standard where it's ok to kill anyone who has already been born, but not a fetus, or is there truly some disconnect that he can't see that supporting one would imply support for the other?
I just don't understand. In my mind, abortion, whether or not you support it, is not the cause of problems, it's an effect. And you don't treat effects if you want to cure a problem. There's so much effort in trying to prevent abortion, but can we have decent sex ed in this country to prevent teens from getting accidentally pregnant? No, of course not. Can we distribute birth control or teach people how to use them? No. What about setting up serious programs to allow people to pay for and provide prenatal funding, care, and adoption services for pregnant women who are not able to pay for the expenses (actual and emotional) incurred during pregnancy? There may be groups out there that do that, but I'm not aware of any. Just once, instead of seeing a protester yell at a woman choosing to get an abortion, I'd like to see someone offer to take the woman in, pay all costs, adopt the child, and not preach to them. WWJD? I believe the answer is not accuse them. That's just my feeling on it.
Also, while I'm ranting, instead of spending a ton of money on IVF, spend that money on adoption. This is a little off topic, but it ticks me off to see people have multiple children due to IVF and then thank God. Maybe God didn't want you to have your own kids...maybe you were supposed to foster or adopt, but no, you had to take matters into your own hands.

Stepping off the soapbox now, sorry for the rant.

Damn Fred... I agree with so much of what you said there. You asked about groups that offer services to pregnant women in need... Catholic Community Services is a big one. They are all over the country and they offer most, if not all, of the services you described above.

I think it's a big double standard to claim you're pro-life and yet support the death penalty and I also believe we need a strong sex ed program coupled with a system for distributing birth control easily.

And your last comment about IVF is something I agree wholeheartedly with.

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Originally Posted by Aqua

I think it's a big double standard to claim you're pro-life and yet support the death penalty.

This is something I have always wrestled with as I support the DP yet opposed abortion. Maybe it is because a baby is innocent but a criminal is not. I dunno...

Some HEAVY shit here...

rabbit

personal opinion...the most that can happen is the court will say "abortion is not a constitutional issue". this wont make abortion illegal...it will simply put the issue in front of the states to be voted on...how it should be done. if you want "right to control your body" or "right to an abortion" in the constitution...then it needs an ammendment. but the constitution was written as loosely as it was because the country at the time wanted it that way...to avoid the federal government from having too much say in their personal lives. if its now a written right...then each state needs to handle the issue as they deem fit. while granted some further right states will probably vote against it...thats kinda what our country is about.

n btw...i totally believe in a womans right to choose...but i also would never want a girl i date to have an abortion(medical problem aside).

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Originally Posted by PantyFanatic

'Rants' (your prospective on common issues) are exactly what gives us all something to think about. Your IVF thought is something new for me to mull around.

thanks ;)

And thanks to all of you. Imagine, a rational discussion about a very highly emotionally charged issue. Have I mentioned recently how great you all are?

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Originally Posted by fredchabotnick

And thanks to all of you. Imagine, a rational discussion about a very highly emotionally charged issue. Have I mentioned recently how great you all are?

I was getting a little scared at where this was headed...but I agree with you wholeheartedly...

We have a great buncho peeps here!

(((((EVERYONE)))))

I think that even though some, well, make that most of us, are firmly planted on where we stand on issues such as this, that we all REALIZE and RESPECT(that as much as we would like to change other peoples minds to think more towards our own personal beliefs), that every individual must decide for themselves what they believe is right. Not just only with abortion, but with all aspects of our lives.

I chose to put nude photos of myself here, other people think that nudity in all of it's forms is morally wrong. I personnally think not, but there are those that will put me down and argue with me until they are blue in the face and don't respect me. (i know that it is a whole other can-o-worms, but you see my analagy)

in this thread, to me it looks like we are stating our views but are choosing to agree to disagree.

I'm keeping my mouth shut because it's obvious that we can't be discussing fathers here.

And by that, I mean "fathers", not sperm donors.

(((wi)))
but i (and a few others) stood up for the dads. :(

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Originally Posted by WildIrish

I'm keeping my mouth shut because it's obvious that we can't be discussing fathers here.

And by that, I mean "fathers", not sperm donors.

You are correct, at least as far as I am concerned. There is a difference.

I'm afraid I don't see what all the who-ha is about with Alito, if the abortion question came up to day with the Supreme Court the vote would most likely be 6-3, when Alito gets confirmed then the vote will be 5-4 and will not change a thing in the long run. We have had 'bad' judges on the Court in the last 200 yrs and we will have more in the future and yet are country is still here. Poeple should fine something important to spend so much time on. How about Cancer for starters?