Sorry if I sound a wee bit angry or ranty in the following, but I'm feeling a wee bit angry and ranty...

So, that born-again bullshitter, Bush, and his neo-con storm-troopers are going after Pixies, now? That should keep his sugar daddies on the Religious Right happy for a bit: "Well, darn it, Bubba Senior - George Dubya sure as heck is brave in tackling all these evil pornographers and filth-merchants head on like this. If you ask me, freedom of speech and burden of proof are over rated. Let's send him a couple more million dollars and see what else he can kick up for us!"

I know the rights of folks in the hardcore porn industry are never going to be big vote winners in the American elections but if you look into how the Republicans have been adapting the laws and constitution to suit themselves in going after people working in the porn industry over the past couple of decades (first under that senile old b-movie cowboy, Ronald McReagan, then his crumbly successor GB Senior) you'll get a hint of what's on the horizon for everyday American folks throughout the remainder of this term (and its follow-up if you let it happen). Eg - look into how "Miranda Laws" (which were designed to tackle Mafia style crime organizations) have been used to snatch property from porn directors and producers without trial: guilty until proven innocent!

The new documentation required for websites to remain legal has been required by porn video producers since (I think) 1995. I don't know if it's exactly the same, but for porn videos the producer or director must have copies of two legal forms of photo-ID for each performer (passport, driver's licence etc) and a model release form, as proof that the performer was over 18 at the time of production. I guess this seems a fair enough way of preventing underagers like Traci Lords from getting into the industry, but it's interesting that the burden of proof lies with the producer rather than law enforcement. Also, the documentation requires the performer's REAL name and address, as well as stage name, which kind of throws anonymity and personal safety of the performers out the window. You'll notice that at the start of every porn movie there is a legal statement showing who holds this documentation and where it is held (real names, no PO boxes allowed).

I'm pretty sure that this is pretty much what the new legislation will require from Website Owners. Here's an example of the documentation one of the content providers I use has recently put up on all its sites in order to comply: http://www.siccash.com/2257.html

That's fair enough for an actual porn site , exhibiting pics or vids owned or licensed by the web-owners, but how can a message board like Pixies possibly comply? How many posters here would be willing to send Pixies two forms of photo-ID and a model release form (all featuring real names and addresses) for each explicit pic posted? How else are the owners going to prove you were over 18 at the time the pic was taken?

By the way, I noticed earlier that someone was querying whether Pixies does class as a producer when there's no money involved. Well, I'm afraid it does. Pixies is the publisher of your photographs and therefore a secondary producer. You (or your hubby / wife) are the primary producer.

From what I've read elsewhere it looks like the Feds could go after the primary and secondary producer of any internet based erotic imagery which doesn't have a fully documented 18 USC Statement like the one linked to above, plus all the approriate documentation in the correct order and without any typos. I read somewhere that there's talk of possible five year prison sentences for those who don't comply.

I imagine the Bush-Whackers are going to concentrate most of their energy on going after the dodgier end of internet porn - the publicity there will be in their favour - rather than a site like Pixies. Hopefully they're thinking there'd be too much potential bad press in going after free speech forums like this, but, on the other hand, can you honestly say that this administration is known for its intelligence or subtlety?

Maybe hosting Pixies in another country is the solution, as suggested earlier. I'm not sure that the Uk would do the trick for this, though. I don't know what the UK's laws on internet sites are, but things are kind of confusing and contradictory here. Explicit sex seems to be allowed in certain magazines and has been passed in a few "arthouse" movies (like Intimacy, Romance and 9 Songs) but in general it is illegal to sell an explicit pornographic movie unless it has been classified R18 (Restricted 18) and those can only be sold in licensed sex shops (not by mail-order). I believe there are only a couple of hundred of those in the country.

Maybe a country like Canada would be a better choice, or better still - somewhere in Scandinavia or mainland Europe. Amsterdam maybe?

In the meantime it'd be great if the Pixies owners enabled the edit function on the forums so we can censor our own explicit pictures from the past incase this ends up being a problem. I'd like to be able to do this.

If you're angry about all this, then go kick up a stink - write to politicians and journalists. Don't allow the Neo-Cons to sneak all this bullshit in the backdoor without anyone even noticing. And remember to vote for Hillary at the next election, my pretties! :)

Whoo - I feel cleansed after all that. It's good to rant.

Pixies was originally hosted in the UK....so not sure as to why you think it couldn't be again

Can i just add that decisions like moving to another country or editing and stuff has to come from the owners....it is after all their site...Lil and us other Mods are just caretakers...we do as the boss tells us

!rebeccaohl!~ changes to the edit function is definitely something being considered.

As to moving...not my call. But I do suspect some overseas webhosting services will crop up to piggy back US adult entertainment industry sites.

I wasn't implying it couldn't be hosted there again. I was trying to explain that the laws in the UK on explicit imagery are confusing and contradictory and I don't know where websites fit in to that. It might be harder to get clarification on the legal situation in the uk than in other European countries. Not for us to worry about that, really, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.



Yes, I know, sweetie. I have read the thread you know. :)

Thanks, Lilith. That's good to know.

Good to hear

I was just clarifying a point thanx as were you

Jseal - I think you finally got your answer. All you had to do is wait! Its interesting how the regs are being extended. Like in science – when you extrapolate beyond the bounds of the model you end up with nonsensical results.

What a drag!

Regs are being extended what?

The government regulations are being - have been - extended from regular old porn sites to include sites like this one. Sorry, I always say regs.

Tis cool.

so if it is soft core wouldnt that apply to guys cocks that are not hard since technically they are soft LOL well i just dont like the stuff that this government is trying not going to rant but this country is turning more and more into a communist country cant do this or that cant say this or that unless its ok with the goverment. what about setting up something with emails where if you subscribe to the thread and there are pics that are attached that you click a link and it sends you the thread pic to your email. just my 2 cents

I can see this thread disapearing if ALL members dont play nice

I know emotions are running high...but please stop the inner bitching thanx...its just making it worse

Give it time...think of it as Pixies evolving yet again...we WILL come out the other side...it may not be exactly the same in regards to pics....but its not a complete death to the site either.

I'm sure if people thought about it....there are other ways the more racier pics can be shared

PalaceGuard,

Thank you sir. Yes, I once was taught that patience is a virtue.

It appears that !rebeccakohl! knows what she’s talking about. So the reporting requirements were the issue here. The extended regulations will increase both the risk and cost of maintaining visual imagery on a web site, particularly if the penalties for inadequate record keeping are as severe as I read.

It would seem that patience is a virtue which we will need to practice until after the next Federal election. And no, to those who have in the past enjoyed lambasting me when I spoke of the virtues of voting, and also to those who are looking forward to doing so again, this is not an invitation to resume doing so now. But I do hope that everyone who can do will do as GingerV has suggested they do, and make it a point of voting next time the opportunity presents itself.

!rebeccakohl!,

You appear to know your stuff. I'd have thought that this site, and similar sites, would have satisfied the "Mere Distribution" criteria. As that isn't true, I'm left wondering what would. It is not a big deal, and I'm aware that as an American issue, it is outside your concern, but I would like to find out.

Rants on this thread and inner bitching are a heathy thing, Anger is a normal emotion. By making this thead disappear, would be doing to us by us what the government forcing on us.
I have watched this thread since the start. It is after all the fastest growing thread on Pixes by far.
Just my :cents:

Excuse me....bitching is not accepted here...never has never will...

If i or any other Mod feel the need for this thread or any other for that matter to go then it will...

Alassë,

At the risk of finding out, how does one distinguish between ranting and bitching? :)

Ranting is just that

Bitching is deciding to get personal with ya ranting

I like the point you make about finding alternative ways to share. If you check out WI's new pics in Men's I think you will see he found a fun way to get his er....ummm point..... across. And I noticed that CGT's new pics are every bit as sexy as they were before the change in guidelines! I appreciate those of you seeking solutions and alternatives.

:wave: :hug: :x: :) :lurv:

Good thing smilies are not photographic huh? :bj: :hump:

Ready for Round 2

I really don't think I've seen any personal bitching on this thread, Alassë. Just people ranting about a bad situation which none of us can control. We're angry, like you, that these changes are being forced on Pixies by the government and that there's not a lot any of us can do about it. I can only talk for myself, really, but it seems to me that by discussing amongst our selves what each of us know about the situation we're not trying to have a go at the moderators or the site owners, we're not trying to tell anyone what to do or imply that Pixies hasn't fully looked into the situation, we're just trying to make sense of all of this for ourselves and get things off our (often sizeable) chests. This seems fair enough to me in a thread for Q & A on the new rules.

Sorry if anything I've said has been taken as bitchy or personal. It really wasn't intended that way. This is a subject which interests and affects me and I find it useful to discuss it openly. It helps me clarify my own thoughts on the subject. I don't think that discussing these subjects is going to chase people away from Pixies - all the other erotic message boards are going through exactly the same turmoil, there's no way around it - but censoring free expression when there's been no personal attacks or promotion of hatred between groups involved maybe could drive some folk off to pastures new.

Anyway, I love this site and this forum and I'll keep coming here even if it ends up that all we're allowed to show is pictures of cars, houses and penguins. :)

By the way, one question I meant to ask - is my avator ok by the new guidelines? I'd argue that it's more about hygiene and cleanliness than self pleasuring :lust: but I'm happy to change it if anyone thinks it falls fowl of the new rules.

Whatever...i stand on what you quoted

And, incidentally, I have all the required documentation and paperwork to prove my sigline was over 18 when I created her. ;)

Fair dinkum. :)

do you have a penguin? cause if so I want the pics NOW!!!!!

Look at me Senator!

:) I'm pretty sure I could get hold of one if I put my mind to it. Maybe if I slap its beak playfully with a fish it'll think I'm its wife. (Sometimes the thoughts that pop into my head on a daily basis worry me!)

Heehee - do you think the other ones are thinking "bloody show off!".

Thanks Lilith. I'm trying to get along with the new rules. I wish everyone would just chill out. It breaks my heart to see everyone upset. :(

Hey everyone....We STILL HAVE Pixies. I remember not too long ago when we weren't sure we had a Pixies anymore. Let's just be grateful for what we do have. :)

Just caught the avatar question...looks like a lady taking a bath to me. You obviously can't take a bath with clothes on;)

Avatars depiting explicit sex, masturbation, or close ups of ya goodies should be changed out for something within the guideleines.

Lilith,

That will get rid of an awful lot of really cool avitars! :(

Yep it bites the big one! :bite:

With all the talk of Penguins and Federal Rule Changes and all that ...

I offer you ... THE BATTLE DIN OF THE PUBLIC

[If you can't read it in the picture ... the poem reads ...

"The Battle Din of the Public

I am saddened by the ruling that our lovely Pixie pics,
Because of some ol’ bureaucrats, may soon be clearly nixed.
There were stunning shots of couples, who were surely having fun,
But our leaders couldn’t
Stand the sight of buns.
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
They probably couldn‘t get a real hard on!.

I have seen them in the forums of a hundred stunning threads,
They portrayed our super people on their floors and in their beds
They were kneeling, they were sucking, til’ their hearts were most content,
Then some clown got his head
All screwed and bent.
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
They probably couldn‘t get a real hard on!.

In the beauty of the our fillies, in the moistness of their cracks,
In the solid spears of horniness, guys laying on their backs,
With the dripping and the oozing that intoxicated us,
They ignored our borders,
Just to come for us..
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
Holie! Holie! No more fullie!
They probably couldn‘t get a real hard on!]

dicksbro,

You rock! That is tooooooooo good! :)


Actually, it IS too good for the nerfherders in DC! :(

Wonderful Dicksbro, simply wonderful!

OMG DB you are have me cracking up sooo bad. I may need medical attention.

absolutely classic DB -