Thank you very much Tess. :thumb:

This intelligent design topic is a hot button thread that I was afraid of from the start and still surprised at the flash point level of from both prospective. Your statement actually makes this resemble a discussion instead of a pissing contest.

My understanding of the initial question was what should be taught in science class and not the validity of either concept. The bottom line for me is that the new subject label of ‘Intelligent Design’ just isn’t science and has no more place in a science topic than astrophysics has being injected into the Establishments of the Sacraments.


*carry on:D* ………. (ax handles available at the door :rolleyes2 )

Ramen PF Ramen ;)

Interesting press conference... click here


Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis."

"A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof."



Like I said...Evolution with a twist. :D


OK? Now can we go back to taking our clothes off?

WildIrish,

Good stuff! Thank you. :)

Take your clothes off! :grin:

WildIrish,

I presume that there is no one around here with a camera with a wide angle lens? :yikes:

Ooooooo a naked WildIrish!! :slurp:

Quite naked. :hot:

Well no, wikipedia isn't always accurate, but vandalism is usually quite easy to spot. Their article on Intelligent Design, in fact, is of high quality (IMO).

You're naked, right Belial?

*LOL*...Wooohoooo another naked guy!!

WildIrish,

Is this how you see the thread evolving? :D

i think it may have been by design, jseal :p

;)

intelligent? or better yet goofball :D

Nope, it was just set of randomly submitted comments that evolved into a complex thread of discussion. Formed from the 95 out of 822 viewers that chose to respond at all. The random nature of what would inspire or not inspire each of the viewers to comment is freaking mind boggling!

that depends, lil. he might be smarter with his pecker hangin out like that...gettin some fresh air an all.
is it smart to be naked?

Lilith,

Hmmmm. Is that assertion falsifiable? Hmmmm. Hmmmmm.

is it smart to be naked?

Only sometimes, wyndhy.

Being naked in the middle of an anabaptist service may not be the smartest thing to do.

yeah bit sure would turn the men on right

I'm getting some very disturbing images here, wyndhy.

Is it the house of the Lord or the "Oh Lord"?

likr they say, of - o cum all ye faithful

If it'll get my rocks off, I'll wander round whistling "I'm a believer".

Oh great!:eek: Now it’s about geology and pangea. :faint:

PantyFanatic,

It can be difficult to predict how things will evolve over time.

Notice that I never argued against the teaching of ID "in class". I argued against the labelling of Intelligent Design as some sort of science, and teaching it in a *science* class. I have, three times now, stated that there's nothing wrong with labelling it for what it is...a thinly-disguised religious dogma, and teaching it in a class on comparative religions.

The teaching of ID as a science (Kansas state school board, several local Pennsylvania school boards, Georgia state school board, and several others who escape my memory at the moment):

constitutes a deliberately-formed, premeditated lie.

The numerous attempts at deliberately omitting the definition of science from school courses in general (Kansas school board):

trivializes the beliefs of others, and allows no room for an opposing viewpoint.

The REQUIREMENT that "Intelligent Design" be taught as a valid, coherent, science-based explanation of the origin of the universe (Pennsylvania, again):

is nothing more than attempt to deny US citizens of their rights supposedly guarranteed to them by the first amendment to the constitution of the United States.

The "quote mining" commonly employed by christain fundamentalists (this is a tactic whereby, parts of writings, presentations, and speeches are taken out of context, and then used to seemingly support the positions of the christain fundamentalists themselves):

is directly offensive, and constitutes a series of ad-hominem attacks.

And together, these acts embody a dogma which is based on personal enslavement, is intolerant of other points of view, is hatefully exploitative and is inherently inflammatory when pushed on people who might disagree with them.



Because I'm so against a form of mind-control that constitutes an attmept at maintaining the exploitative status quo of our society.



Three notes on this last comment:
1. I haven't been wrong by *all* christains, nor do I have a lot of animosity for *most* christains. There is a certain group of christains that have wronged me personally, and more importantly, continally wrong me. My extreme animosity towards fundamentalists christains is the product of this wrong.

2. The same principle applies to religious fundamentalists of other sects, as well, I just haven't brought up in this thread yet, because that's pretty much irrelevant to this thread.

3. TinglingTess, it is not *your* job to apologize for *them*. *You* don't control *their* actions.


Edited note: BTW, it's warm today, so I'm naked atm.

Well naked it good! :thumb:

Hmm, it's warm here today too. Should I??? :wingang:

Tess, can you think of 67 good reasons why you shouldn't?

PF, I've often been accused of having rocks on my head, or was that head among the rocks?

Pangaea was an interesting notion, but if you want to get picky there was once a supercontinent called Earth.

There were no oceans, lakes or rivers 'cos it was too bloody hot, just rock, therefore only one continent taking up the whole patch.

Do you know the pan-spermia theory? IDs probably wouldn't like it.

Creationism: Yes, I firmly believe God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in the Universe. However, I do not think that the book of Genesis should be taken literally...which leads me to....

Evolutionism: Yes, I believe this is the SCIENCE behind how things really happened, through God's will. Genesis talks about a 7 day process...What's a "day"? A billion years?

Intelligent Design: No sale here. Interesting theory, though.

Oldfart,

Interesting. There is an article on just that in the November issue of Scientific American.

jseal,

November issue's not hit the news-stand here. It's the price I pay for living so far from civilisation.

I believe the ID's refer to it as Pizza-Pan-Supreme. …….. or are you talking about why I feel the need to shoot my seed EVERYWHERE? :boink:





:grin:

Nah, that's just you, PF.

This just in…
 

Kansas’s Board of Education, by a 6-4 vote, has approved science standards for public schools that cast doubt on evolution.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005...tr=HOME_1026220

Not surprisingly, the National Academy of Sciences has refused to grant copyright permission to the Kansas State Board of Education to make use of NAS publications in the state's science education standards.

http://www.nasonline.org/site/PageServer

/me shivers over the thought of being TESTED on Intelligent Design in science class.

:yikes:

Ouch!! I just had a lucid moment.

See if you can spot a flaw in this logic, please.

1. Anything with the power and scope to intelligently design and create a whole universe must fulfill our definition of a God.

2. The Intelligent Design advocates who refuse to state that Mr ID is God must either believe that he is not God or are deliberately with-holding their belief.

3. The first Commandment of the Old Testament ( shared by the Jews, Christians and Islam) only allows for the existence of one God, placing the above with-holders in breach of the Commandment.

4. ID includes us and our behaviour patterns in this created world, removing our free will and thus our ability to sin. Without sin we are all on our way to heaven, regardless of actions, because it is not us who have sinned, but the Designer who made us thus. If all action is as a result of Mr ID, there can have been no input by God, thus no divine Christ, no Christianity and thus no valid Christian Right.

5. If there is no valid Christian Right, there is no-one to legitimately push ID and it must go the way of all fallacies.



God (or Designer) I like a good rant.

That is FAR too logical and borders on 'thinking'.

There will be NONE of THAT allowed!!!!:mad:

Sorry PF, I'll do worse next time.

uh...that's MRS. ID!

And she is from the 5th Dimension and just plays the part of God.

5th Dimension?

Is she from Up Up and Away?