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Sugarsprinkles 10-31-2003 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by jseal
BIBI,

Way cool! I'll go rent a copy of The Dead Zone. Thanks!


Don't have my VCR hooked up yet, but I'll watch for the next time it's re-run. I've never seen the original movie, but I sure do love the TV series.



Wow, to think..................................a real Genyyyyoooowine movie star in our midst!!!!!


YOU GO GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

lakritze 10-31-2003 04:27 PM

I disagree.Politics and religion should be discussed,the more often the better.These are two issues that effect all of our lives. Could it be that the reluctance to discuss either lead to a more powerful fndamentalist view in religion and,well you know who now occupies the White House.In this country,we take for granted the freedom to include a good political dscussion for fear that it would turn ugly.But it wasn't the case in this forum.I for one don't have to resort to calling somebody a doo doo head just because I don't agree with his politics. Now pass some of that ice cream over here.

Sharni 10-31-2003 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by jseal
[B]Sharniqua,

I am sure that we agree that patience is a virtue.

Yes it is...something which i'm quite good at thank you

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You are probably right to opine that people will not agree on this. Freedom of speech has always been, is now, and always will be a hotly debated subject. I think you are quite wrong however, to suggest that such a debate is unsuited for a public forum. I believe that adults are up to the task.

I know i'm right....and like i said i'm only trying to help Pixies by keeping the peace...by knocking something on the head which can get out of hand.
Well you can think i'm wrong...i dont care...but i'm entitled to say my piece...i have not attacked your original opinion in any way.
As i've already said this type of conversation does tend to get heated and personal...as some replies have shown (ours included)

My original statement was not pointed at anyone...it was just that...my take on the thread! It was not I that made it personal...if my statement wasnt like....then ignore it...i was answering another member who queried what i said.....


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As I recall, the traditional quote is “Politics and religion should be avoided in polite conversation.” As some of the thread participants seem comfortable expressing themselves using terms such as “shit” and “frogshit”, I believe that we may safely dismiss THAT allusion.

Still frogshit *LOL*

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In re your quote from my post:

.....at the same time referring to me as “sonny” and then Laughed Out Loud was commonly wagging her finger, usually scornful, and

With this in mind, let us examine the first sentence in your post to seriousfun. I trust that you are satisfied with the explanation I have provided, and that you are no longer confused about what I had to say.

I was talking to seriousfun when i made the sonny comment...not you....i have as yet not seen a reply from him over the matter....i imagine he has done the right thing and chosen to ignore it
The whole scenario that you so graceiously thought of and supplied never even crossed my mind.....what i said i meant in fun...hence the *LOL* after it!...if i had of meant to be angry and nasty....believe you me...members have known it!!

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You are incorrect when you say that I prattle about freedom of speech. If you take the time to read my postings on the subject, I think you will find that they are neither foolish nor simple-minded. Freedom of speech is a complex subject which has engaged many of the best minds that humanity has produced. Some conversations on the subject are, by definition, more substantial than others. While I won’t presume to tell you that my opinions on the subject are valuable, I will go so far as to assert that you are entitled to your opinion, even if I do find it, at times, unnecessarily discourteous.

Ok....I never said what you wrote was "foolish or single minded" so stop putting words into my mouth thanx....i also as you may recall do not have a problem with freedom of speech...the only problem i have is with the subject matter...as i have seen this type of thing get out of hand before....like i said earlier in this reply...i was only trying to protect the members from this happening again by changing the subject.

And others below what i posted chose to keep going with the original theme....the only reason i reposted was because i was specifically being spoken to...and i think its rude not to answer

And before i know it i'm getting barreled for being angry and rude and other 'frogshit' from another member whom for some reason read more into what i wrote than is there
I still...after reading and rereading my posts see where i warrent this

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I happen to disagree with what you have to say on this subject. I think that the discussion should not be suppressed.

You are entitled to your opinion...you think it should stay...and i'm entitled to mine...i think it should go

The difference between us...i respect your choice...obviously from what i've just waded through....you do not repect mine

Steph 10-31-2003 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Sharniqua
Yes it is...something which i'm quite good at thank you


I know i'm right....and like i said i'm only trying to help Pixies by keeping the peace...by knocking something on the head which can get out of hand.
Well you can think i'm wrong...i dont care...but i'm entitled to say my piece...i have not attacked your original opinion in any way.
As i've already said this type of conversation does tend to get heated and personal...as some replies have shown (ours included)

My original statement was not pointed at anyone...it was just that...my take on the thread! It was not I that made it personal...if my statement wasnt like....then ignore it...i was answering another member who queried what i said.....



Still frogshit *LOL*


I was talking to seriousfun when i made the sonny comment...not you....i have as yet not seen a reply from him over the matter....i imagine he has done the right thing and chosen to ignore it
The whole scenario that you so graceiously thought of and supplied never even crossed my mind.....what i said i meant in fun...hence the *LOL* after it!...if i had of meant to be angry and nasty....believe you me...members have known it!!


Ok....I never said what you wrote was "foolish or single minded" so stop putting words into my mouth thanx....i also as you may recall do not have a problem with freedom of speech...the only problem i have is with the subject matter...as i have seen this type of thing get out of hand before....like i said earlier in this reply...i was only trying to protect the members from this happening again by changing the subject.

And others below what i posted chose to keep going with the original theme....the only reason i reposted was because i was specifically being spoken to...and i think its rude not to answer

And before i know it i'm getting barreled for being angry and rude and other 'frogshit' from another member whom for some reason read more into what i wrote than is there
I still...after reading and rereading my posts see where i warrent this


You are entitled to your opinion...you think it should stay...and i'm entitled to mine...i think it should go

The difference between us...i respect your choice...obviously from what i've just waded through....you do not repect mine


And this to me is the problem with political threads. This is Pixies - not a place for petitions or blacklists. People come here for fun & frivolity.

Lilith 10-31-2003 10:57 PM

I moved this thread to a storage bin so that I could review it and let cooler heads prevail, because things seem to be becoming heated and arguments directed more personally. This is a no flame forum and I do my best to help keep the atmosphere here such that no one wants to spoil the fun by engaging in heated arguments.

LixyChick 10-31-2003 11:35 PM

Was reading along and keeping the duct tape close by....and then I got to Lil's post and looked around...........

I ain't never been in a storage bin before! I gotta get outta here! I'm claustrophobic!

Sharni 10-31-2003 11:37 PM

LOL@Lixy

Lilith 10-31-2003 11:49 PM

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Originally posted by LixyChick
Was reading along and keeping the duct tape close by....and then I got to Lil's post and looked around...........

I ain't never been in a storage bin before! I gotta get outta here! I'm claustrophobic!


I have always wanted to have my way with you in the janitor's closet and this was as close as I could get:D;)

Oldfart 11-01-2003 04:45 AM

BIBI, I'll also have to get out the video.

**NOTICE TO ALL**

If we have a "Pick BIBI" competition, maybe BIBI will offer a signed

nude picture for the winner,

I live in hope.

BIBI 11-01-2003 09:34 AM

LOL......you can live in hope all you want to :)

Just don't be holding your breath!!! ;)

jseal 11-01-2003 07:15 PM

Lilith,

In all sincerity, I am touched by your faith that the members can handle the issues. I am also embarrassed to admit that I expected you to not reinstate the thread.

Thank you.

jseal 11-01-2003 07:28 PM

Sharniqua

In your reply to my post, you mention, in regards to you post to seriousfun "...i imagine he has done the right thing and chosen to ignore it."

Out of respect to Lilith, and in gratitude for her reinstating the thread, I extend this choice to you:

1. I am willing to ignore your post.
2. I am willing to send my reply to you as a Private Message.
3. I am willing to post my reply in this public forum.

If you elect to not answer, I shall assume that you would prefer that I do the right thing and ignore it.

Sharni 11-01-2003 07:35 PM

jseal ~ Do whatever you feel the need to

jseal 11-01-2003 07:52 PM

Sharniqua,

I had hoped for an honest response. I should like to know how, or if, you would like me to reply.

Sharni 11-01-2003 08:02 PM

It was honest...again...do whatever you feel the need to

jseal 11-01-2003 08:06 PM

Sharniqua

Very well madam, as you have elected to not answer, I shall do the right thing and ignore your post.

Irish 11-01-2003 08:26 PM

If anyone wants to know what "McCarthyism" really was,allow me
to suggest the book "Treason" by Anne Coulter.I had my library,
get it for me & while it wasn't as informative as "Deriliction of Duty" by Robert Patterson Lt. Col.(RETIRED)USAF,it was good.
Irish
P.S. Like the list,this isn't mandatory,just a suggestion!

Cheyanne 11-01-2003 08:57 PM

I am glad that I live in a cave... lol

Now...... did I hear mention of ice cream??? :lust:

And BiBi... that is really cool info.. will have to rent that movie and keep the remote in my had to pause... :D :D

Lilith 11-01-2003 08:59 PM

Cheyanne I'd give you a lick of my cone but it's sort of smooshed:p

jseal 11-01-2003 09:07 PM

Irish,

Dude, you sure know how to keep a frank and candid thread alive!

But seriously, guy, in the context of the McCarthy era, whenever the Hollywood gliterati sees - or thinks they see - shadows cast in their direction, I find it understandable how they would have a knee-jerk response. It really was a threatening time when viewed from the Big Orange.

I can only hope that some day they will practice a more reasoned involvement with society. Just read Barbara Streisand’s comment: "How could such a destructive man be so popular with the American people?" The spooky thing is that she is entirely sincere! She, and most of her ilk, are so insulated from the America in which the other few hundred million people live that they don’t "get it".

Given their abilities of image making, this would be a powerful crew if they did function effectively.

Steph 11-01-2003 09:12 PM

Coulter? She's a right-wing columnist, not an expert on McCarthyism!
<sigh>

This link gives a good summary of some of the careers that were in trouble because of a paranoid, right-wing government who wanted to blacklist intelligent people who had differing views:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmas...ccarthyism.html

The names on that list, including Charlie Chaplin (!) are talented people, the same as the people on the list that originally started this thread.

I still like Charlie Daniels and Toby Keith even though they support the Bush government. I'm not going to not buy their albums. I'm open minded and get my information from a variety of sources.

Irish 11-01-2003 09:52 PM

Steph---No one said that she was an expert!Did you see the piece
on Toby Keith,the other night?My wife loves country music,so she
watched it.I think that it was-60 mins.11.Toby is one of her favorites!He has a" new"CD out.I think it's called Shock em-Y'll or
something like that! Irish
P.S.You're correct,if you read things from the R & L side,you can be truly open minded!Also,Anne Coulter,being a US citizen has a
right to free speech.

Sugarsprinkles 11-01-2003 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by Steph
I still like Charlie Daniels and Toby Keith even though they support the Bush government. I'm not going to not buy their albums.



I like them too. But will still buy their CDs, as I will still buy The Dixie Chicks. And will continue to do so until I feel they've gone too far with their support or disagreement with the government.
That's the great thing about living in a democatic republic.....we're each free to express our opinion in our own way. At least for now, we are.

Steph 11-01-2003 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Irish
!Also,Anne Coulter,being a US citizen has a
right to free speech.


So why post a list of people to blacklist because they spoke out against the Bush government?

Irish 11-02-2003 12:04 AM

As I said before,it only lists the people,it is not mandatory!
Noone said that you HAD to blacklist them.Everyone has a free choice!I posted it because it was Public Information!Why did you
post that website?Because you felt like it! Irish

Irish 11-02-2003 12:07 AM

I'm not going to change your mind & you're not going to change mine,so let's just drop it.We're just wasting space! Irish

Sugarsprinkles 11-02-2003 01:32 AM

If we aren't careful, this thread will find it's way to Lil's "Storage Bin" permanently.







Let's each of us go to a neutral corner of our sandbox and play nice, or we'll be proving that we CAN'T handle a discussion of this type like adults. I'd like to believe that we can.

Oldfart 11-02-2003 04:58 AM

I suspect that the original thrust of the thread has been thrust.

BIBI, (sniff, deep heartbroken sigh) does this mean that the

signed naked picture is not happening?

jseal 11-02-2003 10:49 AM

BIBI,

I’ve already rented a hall for the occasion! Tell us it ain’t so!

BIBI 11-02-2003 12:02 PM

DID SOMEONE MENTION THRUST?????
 
Well...........................Oldfart and jseal,



let me think on it a while!

I'll get back to you guys. ;)

jseal 11-02-2003 08:05 PM

Teddy Bear & Lilith & Sharniqua,

Hey! It is "A Knight’s Tale" – sorta! It has NOTHING to do with the story of the same name from The Canterbury Tales, but it does "point back to" it!

And yes, Mr. Ledger is "easy on the eyes", as my daughter says.

Sharni 11-02-2003 08:12 PM

Yep

jseal 11-02-2003 08:19 PM

Sharniqua,

Well, I defer to the female judgement on matters of this nature.

Teddy Bear 11-03-2003 02:14 AM

jseal you crack me up! The last mention of Heath Ledger was waaaaay back..... like page 3! Guess it was on your mind. Funny how the mind works and what things stick with us. :)


Quote:
Originally posted by jseal
Sharniqua,

Well, I defer to the female judgement on matters of this nature.



btw, I don't think there's anything wrong with a guy commenting on another guys looks. So go watch a Heath Ledger movie with your daughter and let me know what you think. :D (How old is your daughter?)

Steph 11-03-2003 08:33 AM

Even dead people know Heath is yummy!

jseal 11-03-2003 06:15 PM

Teddy Bear,

Jennifer is 17... going on 32. The waters of life are a mite choppy these days.

I have no taboo about saying a guy is handsome, but to do so in front of my not-so-little princess is to invite a 10-minute lecture as to how he is HOT - not handsome Daddy! How would YOU know when a guy is hot? Is there something you want to tell us?
Etc. etc. etc.

Cheyanne 11-03-2003 06:55 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
Cheyanne I'd give you a lick of my cone but it's sort of smooshed:p


I don't mind.. as long as I can lick it slowly... hmmmmmmm, kinda wrap my tongue around it and......... ;) ummmmmmmmerrrrrrrrrr.. what kinda ice cream was it Lilith???

Teddy Bear 11-03-2003 07:07 PM

ROFLMAO!!!

jseal.... I sit here with tears of laughter because I know exactly what your going through!! Just one of the many joys of having a daughter. I have a 17 1/2 yr old princess. I also have a lovely 22 yr old daughter. (Have to be careful what I say about her, she's a member of Pixies & will kill me if I bad mouth her. lol) Trust me the choppy waters of life you mention do not go away when they're no longer teens, they're just caused by other issues. But for all the pain-in-the-ass times or the worried-to-death times or the just plain 'ole geez-I-could-strangle-her times, there's just nothing in the world as special as your little girl. Somehow we'll survive!! Stay strong jseal. lmao. And I still wanna know what you think of Heath Ledger. :)


Steph,,,, instead of saying 'I see dead people', do they say 'I see Heath'? :D

Lilith 11-03-2003 09:14 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Cheyanne
I don't mind.. as long as I can lick it slowly... hmmmmmmm, kinda wrap my tongue around it and......... ;) ummmmmmmmerrrrrrrrrr.. what kinda ice cream was it Lilith???


*thud* what ice cream??? :slurp:

jseal 11-05-2003 07:59 AM

Teddy Bear,

While not a Heath Ledger film, I did sit through "What a Girl Wants", which includes Colin Firth and Amanda Bynes. As by now you can probably tell, this is not a film which I would seek out. Fortunately, I need not worry about that, as Jennifer has that under control.

Mr. Firth is a very handsome man indeed. I do recall seeing him in a production more to my taste, "Pride and Prejudice", in which he played the character of Mr. Darcy. Gogeously shot, and very faithfull to the novel. Very faithful, that is with the exception of the scene in which Mr. Darcy, thinking himself alone, dives into the pond near his estate and thereby provides Elizabeth Bennet and her companions with a wet-t-shirt-competition image. Very clever and, no doubt added immensly to the legions of Firth teeny boppers, but pure Hollywood.


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