I didn't want to assume. There are some people that have the viewpoint that there should be no laws. Some feel there should be no Govt. Some may even feel I should be Supreme Dictactor of Earth. (If there is such a person(s), I'm thankful I don't know them... that's lunacy right there!)

I don't think that anything should be made legal on the basis that people are going to do it anyway.

i understand. the first part of my post was not clear. what i'm saying is i don't think abortion should be legal or illegal. the govn't should have no position. if a woman, or a couple, want to terminate a pregnancy it is between them, not them and the govn't.

but it's too late to go back now

I was not referring to the cost to health insurance per procedure but more the cost to insurance companies if it were true that abortions were leaving a wide trail of death and disaster to the women having abortions. I would think the lawsuits and out of court settlements would make insuring those doctors prohibitive if it were the case that the procedure was so dangerous to women.

I've had the procedure and in my personal observation it was physically easier to bear than wisdom teeth removal. Emotionally it was life altering.

And yes TY wyndhy I meant men can't take the responsibility of gestation and delivery.

A full term pregnancy carries significantly higher risks for women under the age of 20. One in every 400,000 women dies from an abortion while 7 out of 100,000 (28 times greater) die from carrying a pregnancy full term.

Oh and Lixy as for Mrs. Alito's tears...I'm sure it's difficult to watch your spouse be placed under a microscope but too bad so sad. If he is going to hold a position that in this country bears lifelong power, he damn sure should be prepared to have every hair examined.

Oh Lilith, how very strong of you to share something that personal. I was going to keep my nose out of this thread, but i now feel that i can share too.

Although i am sure that my story is not unique, i am sure that there are other's out there that come close. My child was conceived through force from an unknown man (i still have difficulties with saying the "R" word) When i found out that i was PG, i knew that I couldn't live with myself if i terminated. I had the questions of deformity, diseases, and other complications but I knew that i could love the child however the child was born. My ex, whom i didn't tell about my baby's conception until many years later, has chosen to remain my child's father and is as active in my child's life as distance allows. As far as he is concerned he is my child's "daddy" and that is all there is to it. (I know he lurks, so props to you ex) Everyonce in a while i see certain looks that my child does that gives me the heebie jeebies, but i don't love my child ANY less for it, and both of my children are miracles to me.

I used to be of the opinion that no abortions should happen unless the mother's physical life, and not lifestyle, was threatened. I was waaaaaaaaaaay Pro-Life and did some demonstrations back when i was a teen. Today, i still lean towards pro-life, but after "walking" in other's shoes, i no longer have the heart to condemn. Every woman who becomes pregnant, unless they spontaniously miscarry, makes the choice to carry it or terminate, some are just more obvious than others.

It is my opinion that Bush won his presidency on these Supreme Court nominations. People knew that there were going to be vacancies in this term and who ever was elected had the chance to sway the S C to his ideals and beliefs. I agree that S C nominations should be done differently, by a popular American vote (leave the electoral college out) perhaps? Thusly, the American public having more say in how their Constitution is upheld.

You are the brave one. I had the procedure but not by choice. My baby died or was never physically viable. I was 10-12 weeks pregnant but the baby was only 8-10. When I began to miscarry I had the procedure. I had tried for years to get pregnant. Luckily 3 months later I was blessed with the news that my son was on the way.

dicksbro,

Was this the study you were referring to? Suicides after pregnancy in Finland, 1987-94

Very similar to what happened to Mrs Zoid, Lil...twice she began to miscarry at 12 weeks, but she had to have the D&C procedure or risk hemmoraging to death...the Dr assured us that they were likely "blighted ova," or bad eggs that would never really develop, & many women probably have them & never know anything beyond they missed a period or two...she began to feel she might be cursed to never have babies, but eventually we did have 2 boys...
personally I don't like the idea of using abortion as routine birth control, because it's NOT routine...but in the complex real world, I don't like seeing my government limit our options...sometimes medical neccesity has to override squemish concerns...

I wasn't making up the number 3,000. The statistics on the number of abortions is based on the annual numbers ...

1996 - 1,365,700
1995 - 1,363,700
1994 - 1,431,000
1993 - 1,500,000
1992 - 1,528,900
1991 - 1,556,500
1990 - 1,608,600
1989 - 1,566,900
1988 - 1,590,800
1987 - 1,559,100
1986 - 1,574,000
1985 - 1,588,600
1984 - 1,577,200
1983 - 1,575,000
1982 - 1,573,900
1981 - 1,577,300
1980 - 1,553,900
1979 - 1,497,700
1978 - 1,409,600
1977 - 1,316,700
1976 - 1,179,300
1975 - 1,034,200
1974 - 898,600
1973 - 774,600

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/ab...tionstats_2.htm

... and, as far as risks go ... there are many reports. I susggest at least looking at

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/pol...keditorial.html

I wasn't suggesting you made up the number DB I was referring to the number of dangerous incidents or deaths due to abortion complications. If there are 3,000 abortions a day then there would be much more real evidence of a problem with the procedure if it were the case that it was exceedingly dangerous to the woman. As for issues like breast cancer, that risk is present in cases of miscarriage as well. My understanding is that women who are overweight are at a much greater risk of breast cancer but I don't think the government needs to make decisions about their grocery lists.

That ^^ sums up my views on the subject. I believe a woman has a right to choose whether to have an abortion...although I don't want anyone to make such a decision lightly, or to view abortion as an easy form of birth control.

If the particulars of Roe vs. Wade were overturned and tweeked...the "hanger abortion" and the "back alley" abortion rate would be booming...therefore posing more of a health risk on a woman than legal abortion is today!

This country has taken sooooooooooooooo many steps back into the past since the current Bush administration. I can't bear to see another in such a delicate subject.

For those who think that abortion is "murder"...where is the support of these mothers-to-be and the willingness to care for ALL of these babies when the mother carries it to term and cannot care for it...whatever the circumstance? I may be wrong (it's happened...once!), but I know of NO SUPPORT GROUPS OR ADOPTION AGENCIES OR AFTER-CARE CLINICS directed by Pro-Lifer's!!!!!! All I know is that pro-lifer's, in front of a clinic, badger and demean a woman into feeling 5000x's worse than they already do! They spend more time on posters than they do on help for the person they are demeaning!

These babies could end up in orphanages and never be adopted! A lot of the babies would have special needs...ie: addictions, birth deffects...etc. Some would spend their lives with their birth mother in sub-human situations that you and I can hardly imagine.

You can say it all you want, "abortion is murder"...but to ever have to walk a mile in the shoes of one who chooses to abort is the most compelling walk you'll ever take! It's not an easy decision!!! Most of the girls/women educate themselves of the hazzards, know the risks, understand the moral issues, hide in shame, get pelted with relentless accusations upon entering a clinic, live with depression before and after, and keep a secret for the rest of their lives! A LEGAL secret at that!

I'm with BIBI on this issue! If it isn't YOUR body...don't tell me what I can and can't do with mine! I'll handle the morals in my life! You've no right to tell me how I should live...according to YOUR rules and morals. Just because you wouldn't do it...doesn't make me a monster! You don't know me or my circumstance. Don't inflict your feelings on me and I'll return the favor! I would NEVER go around preaching to you that you should abort! Don't tell me I shouldn't! You didn't know me before...and you'll not know me or care for me after, no matter what I choose!

Conversely...If there is any chance that you can carry to term and know that you can make a childless person/couple happy with your gift of life...more power to you!

Abortion isn't about being FOR death. It's about choice. Clinics don't overwhelm a girl with the pros of abortion...but instead, talk of ALL the choices available so that she can make an educted decision...one SHE can/must live with. After all...it is HER life...NOT YOURS!

If she HAS to go back to the days of dark alleys and coat hangers...SHE WILL. No matter what you do with this law...a girl will do what a girl's gotta do!

P.S. That G.W.B. has had the opportunity to make another Supreme Court appointment makes me feel even more compelled to find the end of the planet so I can jump off!

LixyChick,

Although the world would be a much poorer place without you, and I am sure that I am only one among many who would mourn such a precipitous (if you’ll pardon the word) decision, it is with a heavy heart, and only because I am a slave to duty, that I feel obligated – nay, impelled – to provide you with assistance in such a dreaded act. :eek:

Herewith, to provide you with the chance you request, I provide you with the dreaded link to The Flat Earth Society. There I can only presume you will find the awful, occult knowledge needed to pursue your desperate goal! But please, I beseech you; reflect upon this terrible decision for a little while longer. Don’t, ah, jump to any conclusions!

And at the end, if all other possible escape routes for you from this administration seem blocked, remember this – he can’t run again. :D

What if the father wanted to take care of the baby? I think a father should have that right. Conversely, I do not think that a father should be able to force a woman to have an abortion if she wanted to take care of the baby.

Ditto WI's statement...I would be devastated.