Then it may be OT, but do you as a vet believe we should have been in Vietnam?

If so, do you belive we managed that war properly?

I think you and I will agree that Vietnam vets were misguidedly given a bum rap by some.

I suspect that they don't see it as being in their interest. Also, they are rather preoccupied with some difficult situations in Francophone Africa. There was a coup in the Central African Republic last weekend, and a cease-fire the French negotiated/Imposed in Sierra Leone is in danger of falling apart. Their foreign affairs plate (at least one that might involve French troops) is a bit full at the moment.

I HIGHLY doubt that. This will most likely wake up many of the sleeper cells.. but it will not create more. If anything... it will give the long overdue message to those even remotely considering it that if they are stupid enough to try, they are signing their own death warrant.



Not very likely. We wouldn't allow them to be the mastermind behind killing the masses anymore than we are allowing Sadam to continue to kill his. That is a very very valid reason for us to clean out Sadam... the rape policy they have, the inhuman torture of his own people for his pleasure... sorry but that psyco has to go.




Rendering the UN irrelevant... PLEEEEZZZZZZZZZZEEEEEE... the UN has done that to themselves. The UN sanctions that were put into place over 12 years ago (giving Sadam 45 days to disarm mind you) have never been enforced. The US & Great Britian have attempted to convince the UN to follow thru to no avail.




Now.. here is something we agree on :) (it was bound to happen) :) I agree that this offer shouldn't have been made, altho I do see why it may have been done. I believe that the reason it was done was two fold. One reason being to give those wanting to and able to get out of that country time to do so (after all Sadam has taken hostages in the past least us forget), the other reason being to allow other countries to reconsider and support the action (strangely last count I heard was that atleast 30 other countries are supporting the US). I don't believe for a moment that Sadam would even briefly consider this option (and no doubt Bush knew he wouldn't either), afterall, if Sadam were to leave his country, he would be powerless (and quickly dead).





Bin Laden laughing? Not very likely. That evil bastard is too busy trying to come up with another way to destroy this country. He is an opportunist and no doubt is hoping that in someway this war will remove him enough from the spotlight that he can work his evil ways somehow. I highly doubt that he is pleased that Sadam has removed his limelight.




The only people that truly think that he doesn't have weapons of mass distruction are not informed enough. I don't worry about Sadam having nuclear weapons (N. Korea has that market covered), I worry about the other weapons... the chemical weapons, the musterd gas, the anthrax, etc. Sorry, those are mass enough for me. He has used many of them on his own people like lab rats...



As a veteran... I have personal experience that tells me that you are mistaken. The best way to support our military men and women is to keep them in our thoughts and prayers and to ensure that they have a country worth coming back to. The big difference in this war is that these men and women are VOLUNTEERS, they are not drafted. They live their lives protecting this country from foes and protecting our freedoms. The best way to support these men and women is to send them care packages while they are away, to send them a note to asure them that when they return they will not have to live thru the hell that those drafted during Vietnam had to when they returned home.



Don't make any mistake about it, Saddam has tasted the blood of his people, and just like a rabid dog he thirsts for it. He doesn't care about their lives... and the bottom line is that we do. We want to spare them from a future under this lunitic.. having to live everyday wondering if you will die for his pleasure.



seriousfun.... I must thank you... altho we have very different views on this.. I appreciate the opportunity to debate with you... HUGS...

I just like looking at your avatar butt ;)

ROFL... I am glad it pleases you. ;)

make love not war, baby

That's a perfect example of what I posted to horesman12! While I don't share your visions of the future post Saddam, I too love her avatar butt! Big Time!

jseal, i understand fully, and just like others i have an opinion, i voiced it and am moving on to greener pastures.

a great image to go along with the discussion :)

Jenna your answers there just made you even more sexy (well the av helps too ;) )

I am thinking Jenna's av may be the solution to world peace:p

ROFL... well... I try to help in anyway I can... tis the least I can do for my country. ;)

I see no sense in replying to this post anymore.I doubt that anyone is going to change their mind.I sometimes wonder how
anyone can be so blind that they don't see things the same as I
do.Being older&more understanding,I now realise,that they think the same thing about me.All that we're doing is trading,back&
forth,the pros& cons.As an example,I used to shoot handguns
competetively.I wouldn't own a home without a firearm in it.I have come to realise that some people hate firearms.You are not
going to change their mind,so why waste energy,in trying?I have
stated my opinion & that's it! Irish
P.S.The only way that I would reply again is as an excuse to see
Jennas butt!

Irish, Customarily, discussions involve two or more people. Very few people think identically. The purpose of political discourse is to explore what is practical, not perfection. While you and I seem to share similar opinions about the appropriate techniques to address “the Iraq problem”, I feel that you are giving too short shrift to the value of persuasion.

If you feel that all you can do is express your onions and then see no sense in replying to other points of view, you would seem to have reduced discourse to the level of dictates. The ancient Greeks modeled their academies around the principles of Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis. Surely you don’t hold the position that your opinion cannot be improved upon?

Add to the potential of leaving a conversation with more than you arrived with (attractive in and of itself) the decidedly attractive possibilities of jennaflower's postings, and I'd say you have a persuasive - if not convincing - case for staying with the thread.

jseal---I am responding for two reasons:
1.I am subscribed to this thread,so knew of your writing.
2.I have alot of respect for you & even if your butt isn,t as nice as
Jennas&I am strictly hetrosexual.I thought that you deserved to know how I felt.I have many entrys to this thread&don't feel that
this is a discussion.I can't understand others reluctance to help
others,because it doesn't affect them personally.I have always been known for my bad temper and this thread is just giving me
an ulcer.I have to go now & thank God,that it's not my wife or daughters in Saddams rape room& also that I'm not afraid of
possible end results.SEE,I'm already getting Pissed Off! Irish