God help his weans!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i have to agree w MM and aqua, we dont KNOW what he has done, true all signs point to it but its his right to be "innocent untill proven guilty" we wont know the outcomeof this for a long time , the arrignment is jan9th but that will jsut be a plea, and ill be truly schocked if he pleads guilty or even no contest, im sure hell plead innocent , i agree thats its totally wrong to have children in ur bed if they arnt urs. hell i dont even let mine sleep w me unless they have a nightmare and then i sleep on the couch w them untill they are out and get put back to thier beds. i think we need to step bck fromthis and wait till we get more evidence on it. u never know the boy cud be making the claim bc him and his family are pissed mJ stoped giving them money. u just never know. every one knows what happened 10 yrs ago, what better background do they need to support the case . ether outcome MJ does need a bit of help w growing up and reality tho.
~nikki~

No proof Aqua! That's why they are allegations.......and ergo the reason I said......where there is smoke, there is..."usually"....fire!

I'm not so sure M.J. could ever get a fair trial in ANY case that was brought against him.......because of the media attention he gets and IS getting now.....because of the allegations.

However, I stand by my statement that you quoted above........that M.J. is an outstanding artist with a dirty little secret that is hurting children and their families!

I never declared him guilty of this allegation!

I'm just of the opinion that the things that go on at NeverLand are NOT in the realm of norm (dirty little secrets), and each and every time a parent allows....and Michael invites.....children to his home for sleepovers.........they and he are perpetuating his faults of the past and leaving an opening for a case such as this to be brought against him.......and the children and families involved are investigated and put under a microscope.......and NO GOOD ever comes of any of this. By "no good"....I mean.....Michael skates.......and the families get money....but they have to live with the lie they conjured (if it was a lie) or the fact that they were given hush money (if it was true, yet they settled) and they know it'll happen again to some other child......and Michael never gets medical attention.........and thus it begins again!

Obviously everyone surrounding Michael is in it for the money. If just one person that he trusted and loved and that loved him, would tell him......"Michael, this can't go on! You have a serious problem and you need attention".........and he got it.......who knows how much more wonderful Michael could be!

So.......*raspberries* to you Aqua! LOL!

*ducks*

Eventho I hate steriotypes---If it walks like a Duck & quacks like a
Duck.It's probably a Duck.He has a better chance than if he was
accused of molesting one of my grandchildren! Irish

Here is a picture I just got in my email... :D

ROFLMFAO




Ohhhh!
It hurts from laughing Diva.
Thanks.

Diva---That e-mail,must have made the rounds today.I got the
exact same one,from my wife(at work)this morning! Irish

Innocent until PROVEN guilty.....
 

Very well put Aqua, MM and Nikki. I'd hate to think that someday I might be accused of a crime & not be given a fair trial before conviction. It could get to the point that you could be taken from your home and put in prison or shot on the spot with no trial at all. Our constitution was written so things like that never happen.

On the other hand, agreeing with Aqua, I would never allow any child I know to spend time with him. The guys so ugly I don't understand how a child could sleep without having nightmares anyhow. MJ's what is called a '2 bagger'. Put a bag over his head and then put one over yours just in case his breaks.

What do Wal-Mart and MJ have in common?



They both have little boys underwear half off.


teddy :)

He is due a fair trial and he is innocent until proven guilty

Thats the law and right of a citizen in a democracy.

However I am able to express my opinion and I think he is not a fit person to be around children due to his admission that he like to have 12 year old sleep in the same bed with him. Not once or twice but many times according to the former head of his security guard.

It makes me shudder that this man is allowed to continue doing it. If it was me I would be locked away and I hope this is the fate that is bestowed on wacko if the law follows it proper course and he is found guilty under it

nikki1979,

We will never KNOW what happened. Neither the justice system - nor anything else created by humans - is 100%

You take your best shot with what you have.

yes true but we will know far more after the trial starts than we do now, i am not nessacerly standin up for jacko ( i wud never send my children to him for all the money in the world) but im standing up for the american way and the justice system (and yes i do know it has its fautls) . and i will not make my mind up one way or the other untill there is much more eveidence , that will be a long way off unfortunatly, so we will just have to wait w open minds.

~nikki~

nikki1979,

Yes'm. And your caution is quite sensible also.

he has to do something to keep in the public eye.. and this is the best he could come up with.. I look forward to hearing about his new life in a comunnal penal ward

kendall hun , as i said innocent untill proven guilty hun , if he is guilty i sure as hell hope he ends up there , i pray our justice system doesnt let him buy his way out. if he is guitly he will end up in either the prison for sex offenses or a insane asylum, i think either inncent or guitly he needs to spend a wee bit of time in the later to help him get a grip on reality.
~nikki~

heheheh i do belive thats the first time anyone has ever uttered the words caution and sensible in reference to me !!!!!! ty dear
~nikki~

Well I thought it ten years ago and I think it now....I think the idiot is guilty.......especially after seeing that special where he tried to explain how sweet his timeswere spent tucking in the kids. He creeped me out. I know I know....innocent until proven guilty.....I shall shut up now!

oh, except to say this.....his nose is not the result of plastic surgery. Nope! He has been thumbing it for so many years at everyone......it rubbed off!

nikki,

you pray for the justice system... in my advanced years, I know it needs it.. money can get you off. promise..

kendall

a realist

Bibi,

Enjoyed having you on top of me during this.

Kendall

Kendall,

Hopefully, not this time.

LMAO @ kendall

I have always maintained that I love to be on top of the situation......:lust: ;)

In the American justice system,you are innocent until proven guilty
In Irish's justice system,NO one is innocent.Money CAN get you off!
I don't feel like writing,the whole thing,but I can tell anyone how it
happened to me!It's not what you did,It's WHO you know & how
much money you can spend!If anyone wants the details,just PM
me!I have told how it works in other threads. Irish

Irish,

Try to think of the American justice system, and all justice systems for that matter, as works in progress, or possibly as "the best we can do right now".

I am hard pressed to think of anyone who claims that the American justice system is perfect, but I think the general consensus is that it strives to to deliver what Americans believe justice to be.

Remember that what is just in Vermont may not be seen to be just in Nevada - or any where outside of Vermont for that matter.

jseal---The incident,that happened to me,happened in NH,where I
live now.My(deceased)father was a Conn.State Policeman & also
an Aux. town policeman,in the town where I grew up in Conn.I've
seen how the justice system works for years.As long as humans
are involved,there will be corruption.Remember:NOTHING is illegal
,unless you get caught doing it!Show me someone,who has NEVER done anything illegal & I will show you a very RARE or
nieve(sp?) person! Irish
P.S.My incident,was in the late 60s/early 70s!

Irish,You are right about the justice system in this country.Unfortunately money talks.But this is a symptem of the fact that America has been under the influence of a conservative idealogy for far to long.It simply means that the rich have a different standard than the rest of us.this truth was apperant during the O.J. Simpson trial as well.Before the trial even got started,the judge declaired that the death penality would not be appropraite in this case.WHY? If he was found guilty of murdering two people,why would it not be approprite???? We have lived under a double standarded set up by a very conservative minority for far to long.It is high time that equal justice for all be the rule.I'am not saying that the death penalty is a good thing,but I certainaly took notice when O.J. was exempt from it even before the trial began just because he had the money to get off and the name recoginition to forgo the formalties that others would have to face in the same situation.As you said before,money can buy the type of justice you will recieve in a criminal court. So we'll just have to sit back and see what Michael Jackson's trial will be like.If I can commend one conservative republican for doing the right thing,it would be Gov.Ryan of Illinois for putting a moritoriam on the death penality.Because he realized it was being abused.Of course,Michael Jackson has not comitted any capital offense,but the same rules of justice do apply.

Ain't nothin like a good ol' fashion cyber lynchin'.

Justice? Please my Pixie Pals - listen to Irish - you go to court, you may as well toss a coin - unless of course you can fix the coin.

I think the poor man is a very sad case and if he has harmed other people in the the process then maybe your justice system will do something to stop him. But how many more muderers and general scumbags have walked free?

Whether your courts find him innocent or guilty as charged, my opinion of him won't change.

P.S. Lix - is your AV a homage to Billy Connelly?

lakritze,

Interesting.

When has money not talked? Where has money not talked?

How long is "far to long"? Would that correspond to the 48 (1954 - 1992) years of a Democratic majority in Congress? Or the 4 Democratic Presidents who were elected to office during that period, which then gave that party control of both the Legislative as well as the Executive branches of the Federal government? Would a shorter period, say of 24 years been better?

How did a minority go about setting up the double standard? What was this group, and why is it described as a minority? What criteria are being applied to judge it "very conservative"?

As I'm sure you have read Judge Ito's opinion as to why he excluded the death penalty from the trial, would you share it? I would appreciate reading the legal critique that supports the criticism in the post.

I was under the impression that the good Governor Ryan is considered to be a moderate Republican, rather than a conservative. Indeed, by placing a moritorium on the death penalty (as the retention of the death penalty is generally considered to be a conservative position) wouldn’t he be dallying with – gasp – a Liberal notion? Do you think perhaps it might be a question of one’s point of view? Or is it that to belong to that political party is to be defined as a conservative?

Vigil,

I think it is important to keep in mind that that a cyber lynching, good, old or otherwise is not at all like the real thing – it is much, much better than the real thing.

Q.E.D. jseal

Vigil,

"Thus it is shown"? What?

That fantasy is preferable to reality (in this case)

erat - has been

Vigil,

Ah. Fair enough. And you are quite correct. Sorry 'bout that.

My question to errrr Mr Jackson is ,after the first accusations in 93
the bad publicity for himself and his family,WHY?WHY? Would you Jacko still have pajama partys (ahem) with little boys? No doubt he's one twisted human being ,lawyers say he's a very private person well then don't do the sick shit ya been doin .The parents who send there kids there for sleepovers aren't without blame either especially knowing his history.Mr Jacko is in for another major meltdown and i'm not talking bout all the plastic in his face either.

Vintage Vixen,

Over the next little while, the good Mr. Jackson will have many opportunities to reflect upon his domestic decisions of the recent past. Given his notorious past, one might indeed question the decisions of the parents of the children.

Still, you'll need to be patient, the legal process marches to the beat of a rather slow drummer.

Gee maybe i'm watching to much Law and Order but where's
Ice T and Munch when you need them?

and Lenny and Ed too??????

OK....well now....hmmmmmmm??? I've thought this over....and the only thing I can equate to my ass and Billy Connelly (or Connolly.....or however he spells it....if I am even thinking of the same person......*commedian, Scottish....rip roaring funny*) is the time he told of the guy on the plane in the seat next to him.......sleeping.....and *letting one rip* that sounded like.....the noise made when Errol Flynn lunged through the air with a knife in his teeth and gripped the knife just as he got to the mast of the ship and plunged the knife in and it began to rip down the length of the mast and made a long, disturbing noise!

So.....um Vigil hun? Ya better not be meaning that in comparison! If so.....bend over....cause I'm gonna spank ya mighty hard! :D

News Flash(maybe)!!!!M.J. might not have to worry.I just saw, a news brief,that said that his accuser,in the molestation case,was
living on ONE kidney & now that is failing!He is VERY sick & in dire
need of a kidney transplant! Irish

Oh what a dilemma!

You have the right man. It was a joke he told in front of our lovely Queen and on a chat show called Parkinson.

How can you tell Michael Jacksons having a party?







By all the tri-cycles parked on the front lawn.