I am thinking Jenna's av may be the solution to world peace:p

ROFL... well... I try to help in anyway I can... tis the least I can do for my country. ;)

I see no sense in replying to this post anymore.I doubt that anyone is going to change their mind.I sometimes wonder how
anyone can be so blind that they don't see things the same as I
do.Being older&more understanding,I now realise,that they think the same thing about me.All that we're doing is trading,back&
forth,the pros& cons.As an example,I used to shoot handguns
competetively.I wouldn't own a home without a firearm in it.I have come to realise that some people hate firearms.You are not
going to change their mind,so why waste energy,in trying?I have
stated my opinion & that's it! Irish
P.S.The only way that I would reply again is as an excuse to see
Jennas butt!

Irish, Customarily, discussions involve two or more people. Very few people think identically. The purpose of political discourse is to explore what is practical, not perfection. While you and I seem to share similar opinions about the appropriate techniques to address “the Iraq problem”, I feel that you are giving too short shrift to the value of persuasion.

If you feel that all you can do is express your onions and then see no sense in replying to other points of view, you would seem to have reduced discourse to the level of dictates. The ancient Greeks modeled their academies around the principles of Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis. Surely you don’t hold the position that your opinion cannot be improved upon?

Add to the potential of leaving a conversation with more than you arrived with (attractive in and of itself) the decidedly attractive possibilities of jennaflower's postings, and I'd say you have a persuasive - if not convincing - case for staying with the thread.

jseal---I am responding for two reasons:
1.I am subscribed to this thread,so knew of your writing.
2.I have alot of respect for you & even if your butt isn,t as nice as
Jennas&I am strictly hetrosexual.I thought that you deserved to know how I felt.I have many entrys to this thread&don't feel that
this is a discussion.I can't understand others reluctance to help
others,because it doesn't affect them personally.I have always been known for my bad temper and this thread is just giving me
an ulcer.I have to go now & thank God,that it's not my wife or daughters in Saddams rape room& also that I'm not afraid of
possible end results.SEE,I'm already getting Pissed Off! Irish

This is a prime example of why we have consistently had trouble when threads like this have been posted.

Some peole are incapable of hearing other's opinions with out getting angry.

This thread has been a simple and appropriate exchange of ideas but yet someone is beginning to take it personally because they do not feel their ideas are being validated or that they are convincing others.


I commend everyone for staying polite and expressing their views so eloquently.

Was thinking that the US should send pics of Jenna's av in the emails they are sending to the Iraqi millitary leaders.:D

Lilith just send the E-Mail of Jenna's butt to our soldiers, the Iraqi soldiers are already surrendering and the war has not started.

No matter what.....to many innocent lives will be lost,and all i can say is i hope its over quick and i really liked what celticangel said in the beginning of the thread.

I have strong opinions on most topics of discussion. It does not mean that I am right in those opinions but nontheless they are mine and if someone else doesn't adopt my beliefs and ideas on a topic......then that means they are sticking to their opinions. It does not make one more right than the other, but what it does do at times is make one think long and hard and hopefully at the very least understand and respect another's right to uphold their beliefs without the fear of retaliation. I may not agree with someone's thoughts on a topic but I do try to give the same courtesy to them as I expect in return.

As someone else said in this thread "Can't we just agree to disagree?" I think this thread was supposed to be a debate not a war of words ending in anger and hurt.......

I shall step down off the soapbox now! BIBI has left the building!:)

I am in total agreement w/you, divot109 and celticangel.

Saddam's regime makes the old Eastern Block governments look like a picnic. This is a justifiable war of independence and liberation.

I know that there are murky issues of oil and power at play, but I would rather that my children grow up in a world with a community that does not tolerate such regimes as this.

The French are being as opportunist as they were in your "war" of independence - I would care to differ on some of your historical interpretation - perhaps another time.

At the moment my thoughts are with the long suffering people of Iraq and our Forces who have this regrettable but proper job to do.

Lilith,

Do you think that that is reason enough to not have these threads?

No I don't think that *that* is reason to not have this type of threads but I think people need to be aware when their attitude may be contributing to a thread "heading south". It is rarely 1 post that causes the cessation of civility.

When people are respectful and tolerant of one another's views we end up with a lovely discussion, like exampled in several current threads.

This sex forum is an international community, a "playground" to some, an escape from reality for others, a family (albeit perverted:p) to some, or just a website to others and I try to keep that in mind when making decisions.

And whilst I have the greatest of respect for those decisions - I would still like to smack your bottom.

Woah! Sonds like a Kodak moment to me!

Vigil~ you better bring along someone to help you ;)

Perhaps I'll use a Zoom lens at a safe distance.

Sweet Lil - I'll try diplomacy first, perhaps a picture to let you know what you will be up against. This is vigil resolution 1441.

You will have a short period to be totally disarmed. If you do not adhere to the terms of this resolution, I will be at liberty to use all necessary means.

ya ya ya ........you and what army??????????????????;):p

Perhaps I'll rent time on a U2.

People who are this passionate about sex are bound to be passionate about other things!

Another forum where I visit had a participant quote somone else saying in response to another poster's desire to kill Saddam Hussein "If I could kill Bush, I would, to stop this war". This poster was quickly investigated by the FBI and has been forbid by tribunal under the Patriot Act from posting on the internet.

So far, this thread has been passionate and fairly respectful.

We can't forget that freedom of expression isn't what it was in the US a few years ago.

Let's keep our heads clear and our bodies warm ;)

Too true. In my youth (many moons ago), when my family and I were flying across the Atlantic, I asked the stewardess (now they are Flight Attendants) if I could "see the cockpit". She went forward, checked, and escorted me into the cockpit, where "the captain" pinned a pair of wings on me. No really - it really did happen - just like that. I can still remember it vividly.

Can anyone imagine this happenning today? Alas and woe to the passing of more innocent times!

You can't even purchase an airline ticket without a photo ID!

When I was a kid, I asked to see the cockpit. The last thing I remember was the pilot asking me "Do you like watching gladiator movies?" :p

I do not expect anything less than this fighting talk Lil. But do not be surprised at the size of the coalition that would gather for a Lilith spanking session.

The one thing I admire about these political threads is the differing views open my eyes. I talk with many of you on a daily basis through these threads. We sometimes stray from the topic of sex to witness Web-cam viewing of puppies being born, for example.

What fascinates me is the passion in this thread. I really don't think anyone, no matter how eloquent (hi jseal!) is going to convert me into becoming a cheerleader for the Bush administration *but* I enjoy reading the views supporting him. Why? Because I believe this invasion is completely unjustified - how did the focus go from Al-Qaeda to Hussein? - I am interested to see how the American public views the attack.

I'd hate to see anyone getting an ulcer over this.

Vigil,

I trust that you won't be too upset if I occupy a rear echelon support position in the upcoming campaign?

I am willing to cheer you on though!

Don't worry Jseal - the planning will be precise - I'm concentrating on the Psych-ops at the moment.

Can I just say (and I've seen enough of war now to know that you must wait to see the full picture), but 1000+ cruise missiles in Baghdad and that odious Iraqi Information Minister can not find a civilian casualty.

The conventions keep changing.

Vigil,

I am looking forward (anticipatory voyeurism?) to when you execute your "shock and awe" operation.

I hope to be able to hold the camera steady. Come to think of it, it WILL be difficult to do so while holding the camera with only one hand. Hmm… perhaps I’ll need to use new technologies.

I’m uncertain, but I think the US Military is exploring something new here. The devastation is SO great, and the collateral damage is SO low, that I get the feeling that they are trying to find out if, indeed, the realization of force can be used to pry the leaders/tyrants/oppressors away from their power base – the people. I know that this sounds confused, but I’m still trying to understand what is going on underneath the razzle-dazzle.

Any thoughts?

It certainly appears that Saddam has learnt from the last conflict and stationed his loyal troops (completely immersed in his regime) with the conscripts to stop the mass capitulation we saw last time. Apparently there was fighting amongst Iraqi troops in the North Yesterday.

I think that we will have to wait till midweek when our forces arrive outside Baghdad. I can't see any point in the main republican guard wanting a conventional battle. But then how do you hide an army from satellites?