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jseal 10-29-2011 06:33 PM

Handwriting is an art dying by email.

The manipulation of pictures with digital tools is orders of magnitude easier than when they were analog.

Fangtasia 10-30-2011 02:09 AM

Which is what i said jseal lmao


that wasnt the point though....photos have always had the ability to be changed. I cant see where technolongy has changed that fact

Oldfart 10-30-2011 06:30 AM

Cut and paste had a literal beginning.

jseal 10-30-2011 07:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fangtasia
... photos have always had the ability to be changed. I cant see where technolongy has changed that fact

I don't recall there ever being an analog version of Photoshop, or like products. Have you? If not, then yes, digital technology has indeed changed that fact.

Lord Snow 10-30-2011 09:33 AM

I'm going to break in and say Fang is saying through what would now be considered more archaic means we've been able to change/manipulate photos, while jseal is arguing on HOW they're able to be changed. Through technology more people are able to manipulate their own photos rather than having to rely on professionals.

Fangtasia 10-30-2011 12:16 PM

LS - Thats not what jseal stated at all

Quote:
The authenticity of photographs


The above is what he said, and the authenticity of photos is NOT to be blamed fully on technology. This is something that has ALWAYS been around'

jseal - you are being deliberately dunce obviously. Maybe go back and actually read what i wrote in my posts.

jseal 10-30-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Snow
... jseal is arguing on HOW they're able to be changed. Through technology more people are able to manipulate their own photos rather than having to rely on professionals.

Correct

jseal 10-30-2011 01:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fangtasia
... jseal - you are being deliberately dunce obviously ...

Incorrect

Scarecrow 10-30-2011 06:38 PM

Photoshop or darkroom, the only difference is the price of the equipment. Anyone who wanted to could learn how to work in a darkroom. It just takes time and money.

Fangtasia 10-30-2011 06:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jseal
Incorrect

No i was correct you never stated in your original comment ANYTHING about the means to change photos, or anything about professionals

Again

Quote:
The authenticity of photographs


ALWAYS been an issue, not something new


Dunce, and still you havent read my posts obviously *L*

Technology has made it easier to do

But as for authenticity, with referral to your post, not something new so dont blame technology

I dont have a wizzbang program, so photoshop isnt a requirement, i could manipulate a photo in paint *LOL* Paint just requires more effort.

Oldfart 10-30-2011 07:35 PM

Photos were printed in blow-up, things cut out from other photos pasted (and waxed and drawn) onto it, and re-photographed.

There is a famous photo of Lee Harvey Oswald where the shadows are confused.

jseal 10-30-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldfart
... There is a famous photo of Lee Harvey Oswald where the shadows are confused.

Quite so. It is very, very difficult to manipulate an analog photograph without telltale evedence.

jseal 10-30-2011 07:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fangtasia
Technology has made it easier to do ...

So much more so that the authenticity of photographs is a thing of tthe past.

Correct

jseal 10-30-2011 07:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarecrow
...It just takes time and money.

How much money? What is the cost of the digital Photoshop? What is the cost of an analog photo shop? $200 vs. $2,000? An order of magnitude.

Only professionals had the talent, expertise and time to do then what we all now can.

The authenticity of photographs was a casualty of the digital age.

jseal 10-30-2011 07:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fangtasia
... I dont have a wizzbang program, so photoshop isnt a requirement, i could manipulate a photo in paint *LOL* Paint just requires more effort.

In other words, you can now do for free what would have taken a trained professional using $$$$ of equipment to do in the past

The authenticity of photographs is a victim of the digital age.


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