My frustration is that internationally, we are drowning in politicians and gasping for statesmen.

Would you mind explaining to me what wearing a flag pin on your lapel has to do with patriotism?

No.

I know it really doesn't matter but to me it just says "yes I am proud to be an American."

Just like wearing a pink ribbon stands for I had/have fought breast cancer or a red ribbon is for choosing to be drug free. A purple ribbon is for domestic violence.

[QUOTE=Aqua]Hear are my thoughts on these two links.

The first link is an article from nearly ten years ago covering a former President's extramarital affair when Ken Starr, trying as hard as he might, couldn't find any illegal activities performed by the Clintons. I do not see how this has any bearing on the current presidential race.

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It doesn't have anything to do with the current race. I just beleive people in office should hold themselves to a higher standard than the rest of us. Just like I have to working in the field I have decided to work in.

That is all....also I have a teen ager that is getting into the "sex" years and I dont want someone telling her that oral sex is not sex. I have told her the facts or the birds and bees and all...so she knows but you know how guys can convince vurnable young ladies.

Or it might stand for Aids Awareness...symbols mean what we choose to see in them.

No one picked it up.

The lapel pin is not a symbol of patriotism, but a statement that one is a patriot.

These are not the same thing.

Patriotism is a state of mind, a belief behaviour. Saying that one is a patriot is like a man in a dog collar saying that he is a man of god or a girl in a white dress is a health professional.

And you don't think a person who has chosen to serve his country and his people as a Senator is a proud American? Because it seems to me that you're saying the symbol is more important than actions and words.

What I find sad is that people still fall for this. Instead of focusing on the real issues, you're pissed off because a guy isn't wearing a pin. Do you know how silly that is? There are people dieing in a pointless war, and instead of worrying about what the candidates say about what they're going to do to end the war, you're worried that one of them isn't wearing a freaking pin. You fell for the same old political bait and switch that has been going on for years.

Jude30,

Not every aspirant to public office in there for the greater good.

For some, sadly, it is an employment stream to be navigated.

i guess we really have a debat going now.....


What I apparently can't get over is that even though I dont like it ACTIONS DO SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Since MOST of them will say what they need to say to get elected and never come through with the campaign promise. We have seen this over the years.



And Jude30....wearing a lapel pin doesn't mean your a patriot but it does send a message to people. If you have a lapel pin that is a flag then it (to me) means that you support all things American. If I like it or not it can get my attention one way or the other. And refusing to wear one well it just didn't set right.

There is a saying ....FIRST IMPRESSIONS...I know you have heard it.

Most of you know that I've been an advocate and supporter of Habitat for Humanity for over five years now. It is not a cause...it is a mission. And I walk the walk.

Wearing a Habitat lapel pin on my suit strikes up conversations that otherwise would not have taken place, and it's in these conversations that I get to talk about something that I have a passion for.

It also serves as a reminder. I look in the mirror to check what's left of my hair, and it catches my eye. It reminds me that there are people in this world that don't have a decent place to live, that are in a rental trap from which they will never escape. And it strengthens my resolve.

Putting a flag pin on your lapel doesn't make you a better American. The reason you put it there determines that. I want my president to feel passion for something. This is not just a job...it's a mission. And I want someone there that cares about more than fame and fortune. I want someone that cares about me.

I'm wildirish, and I approve of this message.

/me runs for office

/me runs for Lilith

Now there's someone I would stand behind.


I'd vote for ya too. ;)

I'm completely aware of this, I can see the current administration.

While I think a person needs a certain amount of ruthlessness to be a politician there are some humane ones. While I don't know if I would actually vote for Obama he doesn't strike me as one that is in it just for the sake of power.

I hate to say it but I wouldn't trust anyone who loves ALL things American because we do some pretty shitty things as Americans. You know like invade sovereign nation on faulty intelligence with no exit plan. Sorry but not exactly a move I'm real proud of on our part.