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jseal: You're flat out wrong here.

It is unethical for a pharmacist to dump his bullshit idea of "morality" on a patient.

It is unethical for a religious fanatic to disguise him/herself as a health-care professional in order to compel a patient to confrorm to his/her idea of "morality".

A pharmacist has made a choice to go through the expense and hassle of the years of training it takes to acquire a thorough knowledge of pharmacology. Such trainig includes the fact that their job is to assist a patient in getting access to the drugs the patient and his/her doctor have decided are needed. To refuse to dispense necessary medicine, to CHOOSE to not act in the face of an impending threat to one's health is unethical.

To further choose to not act because the pharmacist is making that choice on a prejudgement of the patient's morals is not only unethical, but is in fact, a particularly hateful "morality" that is nothing short of destructive of other people's humanity.

Yes, I will repeat Lilith's words: do your fucking job. Yes, it is your job. If you wont' do your job, then get the fuck out of the business.

“I was just following orders.”

Hoo Hoo!

Where have I heard THAT ethical argument before?

:rolleyes:

jseal: Is that a counter argument to what I said? If it was intended to be, then be advised:

It makes no sense, in that it is completely irrelevant to what I said.

If it was intended to be a counter argument to somebody else's reply, then please explain whose.

gekkogecko,

Is that an order, or a demand?

Irrelevant. Straw pharmacist should do straw pharmacist's job. We already know what that job is.

gekkogecko,

I find it interesting that you are comfortable expressing yourself in such a fashion. As a liberal, I become uncomfortable when I hear or read people express themselves that way ...

the SS officers that followed those orders were socialpathes in the first place just looking for a reason. Just like the child that puts a cat in the microwave or a person like serial killers.

While that may be true, the study referenced above (and repeated many times) fails to support that claim, and actually:

"... in Linsly-Chittenden Hall, and then later in a lab in Bridgeport, and then still later in replications all around the world, that 62 to 65 per cent of us, when faced with a credible authority, will follow orders to the point of lethally harming a person ..."

That is one of the reasons old-line liberals such as I are as enamored with free speach as we are. It may not be perfect, but it is far, far better than the alternatives.

"Shut the fuck up and get back to what I have told you to do ..." is all too easily a ticket to a disaster.

Let the pharmacists have their day in court. I bet that the Commerce Clause will withstand their challenge.

If I may butt in for just a moment.

There are a number of behaviours that the state compels of us regardless of our moral stance on pain of punishment. These vary from wearing clothes in public through payment of taxes and particular road behaviour to restricting our ability to harass and kill others.

Should a pharmacist be allowed to withhold medicines for STIs (you shouldn't have done that sonny because of the Commandment), Morphine for chronic pain (you'll get addicted to that and become a godless junkie) contraceptives (it encourages people to break the sixth commandment) or Methadone (you shouldn't have got hooked in the first place)?

If you find yourself in a job which conflicts with your morality, why should your customers who come to you in good faith suffer because of your conflict?

OldFart you are soooooooooooooooooooooooo dead sexy & right :D

Smooth talking hussy.

Oldfart,

It is pleasing to see that we are at last getting to agreement. Yes indeed, laws & regulations change as society changes, and those which pass judicial review, as in all probability this one will, will help form a more perfect union.

It is an unfortunate fact of life that some people are unable or unwilling to have their prejudices challenged by others, but as one of the repo men who were taking Andy Cap’s sofa out the door said to the other when hit on the head by the thrown beer bottle,

“Sometimes you have to take the bitter with the suite.”

jseal,

I'll beer that in mind and go with the Flo.

Oldfart,

I miss that strip.