what about test-tube chilluns? and if i'm not mistaken, the loss of virginity, in the raw physical form, just requires penetration of some kind on the male part and to break through the hymen for a female. technically, if a girl breaks her hymen in some sorta accident when she's young, she would then cease ta be a virgin. of course, the rapid change in definition and intent of words within the English language to accomodate an even more rapidly changing society and conditions of said society keeps all this interpretive, and likely always will. *sniffs deeply of the air* i love the smell of unnecessary grammarical confusion. how is it that the Eskimoes can have 483 words for 'polar bear' and smoothly pull it off, but we English-manglers have it configured so that 'read' and 'read' are two different fuckin words? *headshake*